“Called this one. Knew Asbury’s guys couldn’t hang.”
Kevin Kietzman, @kkwhb, about midway through the first half of Kansas’ eventual 83-62 win over K-State, Twitter
GH: Asbury’s guys??? KK doesn’t appear to be happy with K-State being 19-5 and tied for first place in the Big 12. And they call Kansas fans unrealistic and spoiled?
“I’m starting to see why Kansas looks down on K-State the way they do.”
Carrington Harrison, @cdotharrison, Twitter
GH: Kansas looks down on K-State for the same reason Kansas looks down on every college basketball program not called Duke, Carolina or Kentucky – they sit in a much more lofty perch in CBB’s hierarchy. It’s the kind of arrogance that comes with eight straight Big 12 conference titles. That kind of arrogance is well earned. BTW; check out KU fans in October and let me know how many are looking down on Bill Snyder’s Wildcats.
“If KU were as good at Basketball as their fans were at gloating over lesser programs, they’d win the national title every year.”
TJ Carpenter, @TJCarpenterWHB, Twitter
GH: It’s called a rivalry, TJ. It’s what rival schools do when one of them blows out the other on the court or the field. Check the KSU fans after their next blowout win over KU football. It’s just what fans do.
“The speed in which KU fan has shifted from woe is me to back to their typical delusions has been with Usain Bolt quickness.”
Carrington Harrison, @cdotharrison, Twitter
GH: This is how rivalries work, TJ. Carrington is a Mizzou fan but he still delights in calling out Kansas fans – just as they relish ripping his Tigers. How else do you explain a Mizzou fan calling another fan base delusional?
“That time of the game when i remind myself I’d rather lose a couple of bball games a year TO the Jayhawks than BE a Jayhawk. #Soreloser #KSU.”
Eric Stonestreet, @ericstonestreet, Twitter
GH: The difference between the average Kansas, Kansas State and Missouri fan is so infinitesimal that your average east or west coast person lumps us all into one lump of cow shit and calls us, “Farmers.”
“I called for Tharpe four weeks ago. Can I get some coach’s pay? Sorry, Bill. Ur team is better with ball in his hands.”
Kevin Kietzman, @kkwhb, Twitter
GH: I am going to chalk up KK’s in-game tweets as possibly alcohol induced. Tharpe hasn’t looked all that much better than Elijah Johnson the past four weeks. So KK wants credit for Naadir’s breakout game? Then he needs to own Tharpe’s play the rest of the season – which I believe is going to resemble his last month more than his aberration game at home against KSU.
“I don’t want to take anything away from Naadir Tharpe, but give me a break with the ‘we knew he was the guy all along!’ crap.”
TJ Carpenter, @TJCarpenterWHB, Twitter
GH: You just know TJ heard [or will hear] from KK after this tweet.
“I don’t see an NBA player on K-State’s team. Does anybody else see an NBA player on K-State’s team? K-State did not have any ability when trying hard to close the gap.”
Soren Petro, on why he was not at all surprised by Kansas easy win over K-State, 810 AM
GH: Who are the NBA players on TCU?
“Indians signed Michael Bourn today. While everyone’s focused on Royals and Tigers… the Indians have probably done the most this offseason.”
Soren Petro, @theprogram, in a tweet during the first half of the KSU/KU game, Twitter
GH: When it comes to college basketball, let’s just say that Soren is not my first, second or third choice for news.
“McLemore was the biggest reason all that angst looked so silly by the end. In a program of Paul Pierce and Danny Manning, no first-year Jayhawk has ever scored like this, at least not since NCAA rules kept Wilt Chamberlain off varsity as a freshman.”
Sam Mellinger, Kansas City Star
GH: McLemore looked legendary last night. Time and time again he floated to the apex of his jumper and then released a feathery arc that rippled the twine – exactly what he was born to do. McLemore is Beethoven, Robert Frost and Leonardo da Vinci in basketball shorts. He makes beautiful art and we are fortunate to be witness to his game.
“McLemore’s gift and curse are both somewhere in those words. He is that rare superstar without ego, a man with a multimillion dollar future but without the pampered past that can get in the way. He is still getting used to his talent, in other words, learning what it’s like for something as big as KU basketball to depend in large part on him showing his gifts.”
Sam Mellinger, Kansas City Star
GH: There is likely not enough time in this season for McLemore to mature into the player we know beats within his chest. If he were to stay at Kansas another season, what we would experience in his sophomore year could be the stuff that would place him beside Wilt, Manning and Pierce. I hope McLemore gets a chance to talk to Michael Beasley before he declares for the NBA.
“Check the box score and there was one player for Kansas who played poorly and it was Elijah Johnson. It was all masked by McLemore’s play.”
Todd Leabo, 810 AM
GH: Man, EJ was bad again. Does Self sit him and start Tharpe? Probably not since he called EJ “my guy” and the horse he was going to ride. But it might be time for Self to saddle up that Naadir in his stable.
“There’s loud, and then there’s Rock Chalk Jayhawk loud.”
@ESPN, Twitter
GH: A lot of college arenas are loud. Allen Fieldhouse isn’t any louder than Bramlage or Mizzou Arena or Hilton Coliseum when the home teams in those barns are on a roll. But Allen Fieldhouse has an aura that opponents hate to hear about and few places are able to match.
“Mountaineer fans check out Allen Fieldhouse, great atmosphere, great students, this is how we need our student section all the time.”
Bob Huggins, @CoachHuggs, Twitter
GH: The former K-State head coach and maybe the grumpiest head coach in college basketball was even impressed with the atmosphere at Allen Fieldhouse for the Sunflower Showdown. There are simply few sporting venues in the country that raise gooseflesh with suck ferocity. Even Missouri fans should make it a point to add attending a KU home game to their bucket list.
“If you had to take a drink every time the whistle blew tonight, you’d be passed out by halftime.”
D. Scott Fritchen, @DScottFritchen, Twitter
GH: The officiating for this game was touch-tight for the first few minutes and it ruined the tempo of the game for me. Fran Fraschilla kept telling us how the referees needed to establish control of the game by all the quick whistles. Fran doesn’t like to have anyone mad at him if that anyone happens to be a basketball coach or a referee. The refs were intimidated by Bill Self and the crowd – which is what usually happens on a home court.
“Bruce Weber just said to an official: ‘What’s he supposed to do, let him get a layup?’ Frank Martin would have said something else.”
Bob Lutz, @boblutz, Twitter
“So Danny Manning is at the Sunflower Showdown tonight. I mean because why would you be out recruiting & prepping for #Tulsa right.”
Craig Brenner, @craig_a_brenner, Twitter
GH: Manning caught some heat on Twitter during the game for well…being at the game. I did not understand the criticism but there was plenty of it. Read on.
“Danny Manning should not be in the stands cheering for KU like a college kid. Dude is the Head coach at Tulsa, what an epic fail. … A lot of people would luv 2 go visit their son. DM shouldn’t be there. But KU people have always lived in their own world, live it up #TCU.”
John Renshaw, @johnrenshaw365, Twitter
GH: The Freak went wild after the ESPN camera spotted the former Jayhawk and Tulsa’s head coach in the Allen Fieldhouse crowd. Manning’s son plays for Kansas. Case closed.
“Danny Manning needs to let go of Kansas and focus on his own program. Bad look to show up with his pom-poms in Lawrence tonight. … I get that Manning’s kid is a walk-on at KU. I just think it looks weird to be there when you have a program to run.”
Dan Wolken, @DanWolken, Twitter
GH: Weird? What’s weird is grown men who have nothing to do with either Manning or his son criticizing a dad for attending his kid’s game. In a world where so many high profile athletes have multiple children with multiple baby mommas and varied degrees of interaction – the last problem I have is a father traveling from Tulsa to Lawrence on a Monday night to watch his son play basketball. What a joke that Renshaw and Wolken would take the time to complain about Manning being a father to his son for one night during the season.
“Finally, what do u mean Manning is cheering for his son? Evan Manning has played 21 minutes all year. What is he cheering? You sat well?”
John Renshaw, @johnrenshaw365, Twitter
GH: Yeah, those kids on the end of the bench don’t need to see their parents in the stands. What do those worthless little bastards think this is, Disneyland? This is the mean streets of Tulsa basketball!
GregHall24@yahoo.com and Twitter / greghall24
Greg, I can’t believe you didn’t focus a little bit on Kietzman and how he hijacked The Border Patrol today with his Eeyore impression and “Wow is me. KU is K-State’s daddy. K-State will never beat KU. This is not a rivalry.” It was awkward and uncomfortable and every time Bukaty tried to steer it to baseball Kietzman just bigfooted him and went right back to how K-State is never going to be a threat to KU. It was as if Kietzman wanted someone to give him a hug. Very strange stuff.
G, I missed KK on TBP and Petro’s show. When I heard they were going to go to him in Surprise to talk Royals spring training — I bailed. I’m just not ready for Royals reports on pitchers and catchers who won’t play a real game for eight weeks. I’m sure KK will moan long and hard about his “awful” Wildcats on BTL today.
It was honestly the worst radio I have ever heard. So many awkward pauses, nervous laughter from Bukaty, and without SSJ there it was like a dad slapping his little son around. It was cringe inducing. Like watching a car wreck in real time. I tried to switch the dial three or four times but couldn’t. It honestly was like watching the British version of The Office without the funny parts.
I felt awful for Nate.
Agreed 100% on the Kietzman “interview” this morning. His true colors showed. I too felt bad for Nate b/c he tried to discuss Royholes, but KK kept wanting to talk KSU. Nate can’t do anything b/c that’s his boss on the phone. Even Jake tried to jump in and call out KK, but KK just kept talking. Very awkward radio for sure
Nate could have made it interesting by calling KK “Barney Fife” like he did in his 1250 The Game tenure (yes, I listened to 1250).
1 – Pretty sure Danny Manning getting identified on ESPN as the head coach of Tulsa on Big Monday game is not going to hurt his recruiting.
2 – It’s not about who starts its about who finishes the game right?
3 – MU fans have loved, loved, loved KU’s losing streak so they don’t have to be reminded of how their very talented bball team is now unranked. I did the same thing during football season to take my mind off of how bad KU was/is.
Still hoping CBS gives us an MU/KU matchup in round of 32. Maybe a 3 seed vs. 6 seed?
KU as a three probably means KU gets to play at Sprint because the “pod” system is meant to protect the top four seeds. There would be a lot of howling, and not just from KU fans (but certainly from KU fans, just not ONLY from them) if MU, as a six, got to open at Sprint as well. Not saying it won’t happen, but that would certainly give rise to a lot of claims of rigging by the selection committee and those claims might have a point if that game were to materialize as a second round game, in Kansas City when one of the teams was not a protected seed.
I thought Manning being there was very odd. He had to miss Tulsa’s practice. I can’t imagine Self missing a Kansas practice to travel and watch a son not playing for KU. I think it showed the desperation among Kansas faithful to right the ship. And it worked, however weird it was.
I have no idea what time Tulsa practices. I know a lot of schools practice early in the morning. It’s a four-hour drive from Tulsa, so even a mid-day practice, which seems like a reasonable possibility, gives him plenty of time. And maybe they got the day off entirely. I think the NCAA forbids practice every day when school is in session, doesn’t it?
never heard of a midday practice unless a team is traveling. I have heard of women’s teams practicing in the morning, not mens.
I thought you were an old-timer like me, Barles. John Chaney used to, famously, have his team practice at 6:00AM. He said that it kept them from going out at night because they couldn’t be out at night getting into trouble and still make a 6:00AM practice. And that wasn’t that long ago. There are other teams that follow the model.
But you seem to know more than me. When do teams practice? Because I don’t know. And more to the point, at what time of day does Tulsa practice?
Hey Gavin – I’m old enough to remember Bob Knight making Frank Martin look like John Wooden, at least in terms of temperment. It looks like Tulsa practices from 5 to 6:30 – http://www.tualumni.com/s/1174/index.aspx?sid=1174&gid=1&pgid=1375&cid=2362&ecid=2362&ciid=8563&crid=0
Yeah, I went looking for it and saw that too. What I wanted to know was when they practice for real, not an open practice for fans to come and watch. Maybe it’s the same time, I dunno. But I don’t think that this is standard since it’s only a half hour. But, again, I’ve been wrong before. And, as I said, I’m pretty sure, but could be wrong on this too, that the NCAA forbids them from daily practices when classes are in session so that might be why Manning was able to get away.
Bottom line, I really guess I don’t care. I’m going to go ahead and give him credit for knowing more about what’s good for his program and his family than I know about what’s good for his program and his family. And if he loses because he blows off practice once on awhile to go watch his kid play a game (something that still hasn’t been shown, BTW), then he gets fired for being a good family man. I’m sure he can weigh the value of that himself.
I’ll say this for him – Danny Manning is a fantastic name for a roundballer. Better than Jesus Shuttlesworth, Sonny Weems or DeAngelo Vickers. Even if his dad being hired on as Larry Brown’s assistant (ala Coach Chalmers) is flagrant cheating.
I’m guessing renshaw isn’t much of a family man.
He makes a good point. Manning’s kid was not going to get in the game.
Hard to believe K-State would shit their pants in a big game.
Haven’t seen that since…………………..last year
No need to guess.
First of all, who cares what Renshaw thinks. Isn’t he the same guy that wigged out of here cause he couldn’t handle mornings. He is also a big ACC Homer and I’m sure if one of Coach K’s former coaches was at Cameron, he wouldn’t say a word. Here’s a twitter word for you Freak: STFU!!!!
As to KK, I am almost sorry I missed his ramblings. He was borderline confident on his BTL show in the afternoon prior to the game. So unprofessional, KU finally played it’s A game and K State was due for a letdown. Let’s just call it that,
As much of a KU homer as I am, they still have road trips to Waco, Ames and Stillwater coming down the pike. WInning the Big XII isn’t as certain as most would think. If they play this type of game and go 2-1 on those trips, I may believe that they are a Final Four contender. Otherwise, it may be Sweet 16 (at best) and done for these guys.
Agreed on your first point.
Greg – I don’t understand why you include Renshaw quotes in your OTCs. He is NOT a “voice of KC’s sports scene”.
I found Renshaw’s comments to be great OTC material. He stated a strong opinion about one of KU’s all-time greats that was controversial. My column has never been limited to quoting local voices. Sometimes hearing what the outside world thinks of us can be both educational and entertaining.
KU looked good but the road to the Big 12 title runs through Stillwater, not through Lawrence. And that’s a big change
KK is addicted to using reverse psychology in almost all of his takes. If he thinks K-State will win, he’ll claim they don’t have a chance. If he thinks Mizzou will lose, he’ll pump them up like crazy so he can criticize then the next day.
Speaking of KK, why is he in Surprise this week? The team hasn’t even unpacked their bags. They don’t know anything more than when they were here in town last week. It seems WHB’s visits to spring training are nothing more than all expense paid junkets, and not about covering stories at spring training. If they really were interested in serving their listeners, they would wait a few weeks before starting their spring training coverage. By then, their might be some actual news to report.
Are you serious? And have KK miss precious time on the golf course. This is his way of getting a free paid vacation to Arizona, and doing all of 30 minutes of wsrk in the process.
You could have stopped at KK is addic
the team seeded #11 would have a legitimate gripe if they had to play a#6 Missouri at the Sprint Center.
But Missouri has to play its way up to a 6. They are looking at a 9 or 10 right now and have a couple of losable games left against Fla and UK.
MU’s not making the NCAA tournament short of winning the SEC Tournament. They are going to lose on the road to Arkansas for sure, and God knows who else.
Gee Greg, KU really looked shell-shocked and lacking in confidence after that abhorrent, uncalled-for criticism they took from their coach last week for poor play, didn’t they?
BlackJ, Yeah, I don’t know where I could have gotten that feeble notion…
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Based on some science, Allen Fieldhouse IS louder than any other arena
ESPN’s study from 2010: http://insider.espn.go.com/ncb/preview2010/insider/news/story?id=5761254
You rely on ESPN for science news? You must be ku biased and educated.
Does last night’s game mean that Bill and his wife are back together?
“Does last night’s game mean that Bill and his wife are back together?”
We are still waiting on the report that Greg demanded out of the LJ World’s sports opinion columnist.
“He makes a good point. Manning’s kid was not going to get in the game.”
Counterpoint… Manning was up in the area recruiting. He is not even a year removed from KU and Self is throwing him a bone with recruits that aren’t going to be KU material. He still has ties to local coaches in the KC area. He could have spent all day recruiting KC while his wife was shopping on Mass St. visiting friends and then he went to the game and drove home last night.
Also, reminding recruits who were watching the game that one of the greatest players on one of the greatest programs coaches at Tulsa can’t be a bad thing. For Renshaw to presume Manning was just up here on a family trip is a bit confusing.
And I liked The Freak when he was on the radio here. The morning time slot was not suited for that man’s lifestyle at the time. The shows were wonderfully uneven, yet entertaining.
I am a Mizzou fan and have been to Allen Fieldhouse once…about 7-8 years ago when Bobby Knight brought his Red Raiders there (it was a free ticket with my wife’s cousin and I went very reluctantly). He swore that I would love it. I did not feel any chill, or any special aura about the place. I’m sorry, but I don’t get caught up in the hype of that old barn. Maybe it is because I truly hate the Jayhawks with every fiber of my being and the mere fact that I had to occupy space and air with so many red and blue idiots was actually painful. I couldn’t get out of there fast enough. If you want to feel a chill, go to Fenway Park. Now that is a slice of sporting heaven. I enjoyed every flippin’ second of my visit there (and Royals victory). I can’t get back there soon enough.
Painful as when KU beats MU all the time? Sorry but your story is stupid you hate the Jayhawks, gee what MU fan hasn’t uttered those words on this blog before?
About as many KU fans who utter the same about MU…like you. To expect an MU fan to “add a KU home game to our bucket list” is just stupid. Greg should know better….he is as delusional as Obama.
BJ-Manning and Chalmers were 100% legal. Rule only changed 2 years ago.
Fantastic Headline …. Naadir in the Headlights.