OTC: Chiefs Leave Pride & Possibly Season In Buffalo / Bills Crush City’s Hopes, 35-17

Dorin Dickerson #42 of the Buffalo Bills is tackled by  Eric Berry #29 and  Abram Elam #27 of the Kansas City Chiefs at Ralph Wilson Stadium on September 16, 2012 in Orchard Park, New York. Buffalo won 35-17.“Never a good sign when you hear Len Dawson say ‘Oh, my God’ BEFORE Mitch Holthus even calls the play…”
Kurtis Seaboldt, @KSeaboldt, on the dive play that opened a huge hole in the Chiefs’ defensive line for C.J. Spiller’s 17-yard TD run, Twitter
GH: This was the first touchdown of the day for the Bills in what would prove to be one if the more embarrassing and listless performances from a Chiefs’ team that I can remember watching. And I have watched this team since Lenny Dawson was in the huddle.

“They are an embarrassment to this city! There is no doubt in my mind that this football team is the worst in the National Football League! They are awful! What we saw in the preseason was not an aberration! … These guys are not football players right now. I know that’s pretty strong stuff but the effort we saw today was just total, total embarrassment.”
Jack Harry, 810 AM
GH: Harry mentioned a Chiefs fan who told him he was at Disneyland on Sunday and wearing a Chiefs jersey – and he was being ridiculed by strangers. Not even Magic Mountain is safe for Chiefs’ fans?

“We may as well be Omaha! We don’t have a football team or a baseball team as far as I’m concerned!”
Caller Mario, 810 AM
GH: But Omaha has a really cool zoo. Maybe we’re more like Ralston. BTW, Mario was busy working the phones following the Chiefs’ loss. He made an appearance on 610’s Chiefs’ postgame show as well.

“I want to hear from the players. Do you have any belief that you can win this game? I believe that they don’t. I don’t think that they can walk and chew bubble gum at the same time! They are so tentative in what they’re doing with their steps! They’re not playing with reckless abandon! Something is awry. You don’t believe in the coaches, you don’t believe in the owner or you don’t believe in yourself. I think we need an analyst to come over there with a few couches.”
Richard Baldinger, 610 AM
GH: Baldinger was hot! He has some passion for his old franchise and he does not like what he is seeing on the field. Read on.

“It doesn’t seem like the Chiefs should be that bad. The Chiefs have viable players at many positions. But for some reason it just doesn’t come together. There’s bad signs and bad news all over the lot.”
Danny Clinkscale, 810 AM
GH: This is not a poorly constructed football team. There is plenty of talent. Many national analysts picked the Chiefs to win the AFC West. But something is very, very wrong at One Arrowhead Drive. It can’t all be Matt Cassel.

“Well, I told [the players] it wasn’t good enough by a longshot… even though we were able to score twice in the second half and Baldwin caught some balls which was encouraging.”
Romeo Crennel, in a postgame interview with Len Dawson, Chiefs Radio Network
GH: Here is what is “not good enough by a longshot,” Crennel and the Chiefs continually trying to spin garbage like what they produced in Buffalo as a positive sign. Show some stones, Juliet [my new name for No-Stones Romes]. Tell us what really happened. Your team was an embarrassment. Read on.

“I thought it was almost degrading, to be honest with you.”
Danny Clinkscale, on the Chiefs using their first team offense to try and score late-game cheap touchdowns against Buffalo’s reserves in what was a blowout loss, 810 AM
GH: Clink nailed it here. I saw Matt Cassel desperate attempts to hit Dwayne Bowe or Baldwin with a deep ball as nothing more than the Chiefs’ attempt to put cheap siding on their 1973 camper.

“Let’s move on to another caller, Jack.”
Danny Clinkscale, after a caller said he expected Mitch Holthus to somehow spin this loss into a positive during his visits with Kevin Kietzman this week, 810 AM
GH: WHB will allow you to criticize just about anybody but those folks who happen to be on their payroll or in their family of broadcasters. I would love to see this policy change. The media should be just as acceptable of critique as the athletes and coaches they cover.

“The Hardest Working Player of the Game… well, for the second week in a row it has to be an opposing player.”
Art Hains, Chiefs Radio Network
GH: How telling. I would LOVE it if The Clarks made a large sign of this statement and hung it inside the Chiefs’ locker room this week.

“I wonder why in the hell I’ve got a [Chiefs] season ticket. I have to ask myself that.”
Caller Steve, 810 AM
GH: More and more Chiefs fans are asking themselves this questions and answering it with a new flat-screen TV and a subscription to the NFL Sunday Ticket. Are  The Clarks listening?

“We’ve got a full board, we’ll get back to it after this.”
Jay Binkley, at 5:46 PM Sunday, almost three hours after the conclusion of the Chiefs loss in Buffalo, 610 AM
GH: This is actually GOOD news for the Chiefs. Their fans still care. Once we stop caring – and that day may come yet this season – the Chiefs will become the St. Louis Rams. I hate that this once-proud franchise has turned me into making fun of and light of their dismal play each season. I would so much rather cheer this team on than jeer them.

“Same story, different year for the Chiefs.”
E.J. Becker, leading a Monday morning newscast, 980 AM
GH: When the non-sports radio stations open their newscasts with this rhetoric, it is time for the Chiefs to make some changes.

“I want to know if the offense is worse or the defense is worse. It’s hard to answer that question.”
Jay Binkley, 610 AM
GH: I am going with Mizzou deep snapper…

“Telling fact. I’d rather watch Kansas football than Chiefs.”
Mike DeArmond, @sptwri, Twitter
GH: It cannot get any worse than this – can it?

“Pioli’s made 3 HUGE mistakes, Cassel, Haley and Romeo. Add not re-signing Carr, questionable draft choices, money under cap, problems start at top!!”
Frank Boal, @realfrankboal, Twitter

“Six carries for Jamaal Charles? You’ve got to do better than that! So far as offensive coordinator, Brian Daboll has been kind of a turd.”
Bob Fescoe, 980 AM

“Chiefs have the look of an awfully talented 4-12 team.”
Sam Mellinger, @mellinger, Twitter

“Chiefs are done-zo. Not sure I’m talking about [just] this game, either. I can tell zero difference in Romeo’s awful defense this week, even with Tamba and Flowers.”
Kent Babb, @kentbabb, Twitter
GH: Both Mellinger and Babb penned excellent postgame columns in The Star. I will be posting an OTC on these two columns later today.

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37 Responses to OTC: Chiefs Leave Pride & Possibly Season In Buffalo / Bills Crush City’s Hopes, 35-17

  1. Joe says:

    Do you think Haley will run up the score (a little) in Week 10? JH

  2. Gavin says:

    I”m glad you’re getting to the Mellinger and Babb columns because those guys brought the wood to the Chiefs. They especially laid the lumber on Pioli, who is quickly running out of excuses.

    • Paige Arenas says:

      totally agree – Babb’s column is what we’ve been missing since Whitlock started mailing columns in 10 years ago. He was willing to take on anyone and call them out on their shenanigans, including off the record stuff.

      • Gavin says:

        Yep. I think Babb has been quieter since the infamous “candy wrapper” story but it seems (hopefully) that He’s decided that he’s going to take the gloves off before he catches that plane to Dulles.

  3. JP says:

    You alluded to it Greg, but both columnists came full throttle after Scott Pioli. He is getting blasted for constructing this team, and I don’t blame anyone for doing that. He did say he believed in Matt Cassel, and won’t draft a QB in the high rounds. I have to believe if this team finishes 6-10 or worse, then Pioli will be shown the door. He can take RAC and his buddy Cassel with him.

  4. donkeypunch says:

    Thankfully I had yard work all weekend along with kid’s soccer games, so I missed this turd. My thoughts….eff the Clarks, eff Pioli, eff Romeo, eff the players, eff the $8 beers, eff the $30 parking, and most importantly, try to eff the cheerleaders.

    GH – great work on keeping your followers up-to-date on the Rock-Hutch game Friday night. I appreciate it

  5. Joe Blow says:

    Show some stones, Juliet [my new name for No-Stones Romes

    This will probably catch on about as well as Rany’s lame “Painkiller” nickname for Lorenzo Cain..

  6. Uncle Dick says:

    Bill Synder wants to schedule the Chiefs next year for another win over a non conference cupcake.
    Bad sign, Pinkel sent Clark his resume.
    Three first round draft picks on the D-line that couldn’t stop a piss ant, let alone a Buffalo.
    Disney World, Arrowhead, both over-priced fantasy lands with Mickey Mouse plays and Goofy fans.
    More like Wally World, Romeo is the perfect mascot.
    Haley, Weiss, Jared Allen, Pollard, and Carr all sent Clark thank you cards for getting rid of them.
    Hung up my old Chiefs jerseys in the outhouse, but no one will wipe with them because they don’t want to stink worse.

  7. Merle Tagladucci says:

    This team isn’t suffering under a losing culture. It’s suffering under a Pioli culture.

  8. Joe Blow says:

    “Six carries for Jamaal Charles? You’ve got to do better than that!

    Six carries…for 3 yards.

  9. Cliffy says:

    Look to the other side of the state. The Rams hired a real head coach. The Chiefs hired a Pioli lackey.

    • Gavin says:

      Absolutely. And you have to assume that no decent coach wants to come here because working for Pioli would be a complete shitshow. St. Louis gets Jeff Fischer, a proven successful head coach who needed a change of scenery. We get a retread who played in Pioli’s old band back in Boston.

      • Guy Who Says What Others Think says:

        More telling was that Fisher didn’t even seriously consider the Chiefs. Peyton Manning didn’t even bother blowing a fart in KC’s direction.

  10. nick says:

    Greg Hall said: “WHB will allow you to criticize just about anybody but those folks who happen to be on their payroll or in their family of broadcasters. I would love to see this policy change. The media should be just as acceptable of critique as the athletes and coaches they cover.”

    Amen. Why does 810 talk to Joel Goldberg ever? Or Jeff Montgomery? Mitch Holtzthus is interesting when talking about other NFL teams, college football or college basketball, but not the Chiefs.

    When 810 talks to Stan Weber/Mitch Holthzus, anything said about the Wildcats/Chiefs is a WASTE OF TIME.

    Bill Maas was really great on Fescoe’s show this morning. Maas is awesome, ’cause he sounds like a genuine fan of the Chiefs, but notices things a non ex-player critic might see. He saw Buffalo putting in 3 receivers to force the Chiefs into nickel, so they could expose Arenas and Rout as non-physical defenders. He thinks D. Johnson is over-pursuing and leaving gaps. He blames the player’s lack of pride in their body of work than the coaches. And Fescoe’s rant was awesome!

    • BS says:

      Over-broad generalizations abound in your post.

      Mitch Holthus talking about Chiefs is waste of time — he predicted Chiefs would win a playoff game this year. Totally Agree.

      When Goldberg is on with Petro; Petro challenges him. Goldberg provides a good defense of the Royals, but it is entertaining radio.

      Stan Webber is GREAT. He watches more football than anyone else I know of. He has great assessment of whatever team he is asked about. I just wish he was on a different show than Kietzman.

    • The Word says:

      “Bill Maas was really great on Fescoe’s show this morning. Maas is awesome, ’cause he sounds like a genuine fan of the Chiefs, but notices things a non ex-player critic might see. ”

      Really? Maas hasn’t been entertaining since getting “Clean.” He was only worth listing to when he had enough X in his system to kill 5 Elephants.

  11. Smartman says:

    Even if the Clarks blow it all up today. Depending on who you bring it at GM and HC you’re looking at 2-5 years to turn the damn thing around where you are a perennial contender and not sneaking into the playoffs due to a weak schedule. Then depending on how you draft and spend you may be dealing with a narrow 2-5 year window to make it deep into the playoffs or to the Superbowl. This organization is aeons away from having the type of top to boottom structure necessary to make it regain the respect it once had. Bigger problem is that of the handful of people capable of taking on that job none of them want it at any price.

    Best advice I can give is shit in a Zip-Lok bag, compress it and place it in a full size
    8 1/2 ” by 11″ envelope and mail it to Scott Pioli. Write, from Harley, on the bag. I’ll guarantee you that if he gets a dozen or more bags of shit mailed to him that his narcissistic east coast sensibilities will be sufficiently disturbed.

    • miket. says:

      smartman, i usually agree with you on most of your posts. i don’t agree on this one. even if clark blew it all up today, it will take a lot more than 2 – 5 years to return this franchise back to league-leading respectability and a league-leading win-lose column. why? because clark hunt has shown already that he’s not the football man his dad was and he’s gonna make more mistakes.

      jesus, i’d rather have peterson and schottenheimer back…

      • Smartman says:

        Be careful what you wish for.

      • Gavin says:

        I dunno. I t hink 2-5 years is doable. Everybody says we have some talent on the roster. I’m no NFL talent scout (my dismal performance in fantasy football this year is proof of that), but that’s what people say. Are we stacked and loaded with pro-bowlers at every position? No. But there were people picking the Chiefs to win the AFC West so clearly there is at least some talent on here.

        With halfway decent talent and what is shaping up to be a prime draft pick again this year, I think they could turn it around relatively quickly.

        And even if it can’t be cleaned up in five years, if the team can’t/won’t win under Pioli’s leadership and the eventual outcome is to blow it up and start over, they might as well blow it up sooner rather than later.

        • Observer says:

          Five years in the NFL is an eternity. Two years is infinitely different than five. So describing a turnaround effort requiring 2-5 years is out of touch with the reality of today’s league. But, an NFL team can be turned around quickly with the talent that is there already given the right coach is selected. This will be an over simplification, but the case in point is the San Francisco 49ers. They were a floundering and foundering team beginning in 2004 when they went 2-14 and 4-12 the next season even with a coaching change. They learned the hard way that choosing the right coach is more important than most think. Under Nolan, the 49ers never reached .500. A change in coaching to Mike Singletary did little to change their fortunes. Even with current QB took the reins, the team was at best a .500 team going 8-8 in 2009 and 6-10 in 2010. Out goes Singletary and in comes Harbaugh and they leap to 13-3 even with the same QB. Yes there are other factors than the change in coaching, but my point is that an NFL team, with the level of talent that the Chiefs have on the field today, can be turned around to a true playoff-contending unit by selecting a top head coach, not a middle-of-the-road project. Watching the 49ers handle Detroit (no slouch of a team) on Sunday leads me to believe it wasn’t smoke ‘n’ mirrors in the Bay city last year. That team is for real and it was turned around very quickly with the right hire. The Haley-Crennel hires are looking a lot like the Singletary hire.

  12. J Rok says:

    Cassel sucks. He can’t make a smart decision to save his life and can’t throw the ball over 10 yards. Kyle Orton isn’t Joe Montana, but compared to Cassel he is. Baldwin has 2 catches and he’s supposed to be Dwayne Bowe’s replacement after this year. Another 1st round bust I’m sure. 3 top 5 picks on the defensive line and not one of them is worth even being backups on other teams. Hali, Johnson, and Houston are good linebackers, but Hali is the only one who can pressure the QB. Berry looks like he’s not 100% after the knee injury last year. Brandon Carr seems to be the CB that the Chiefs should have given the extension to, not Brandon Flowers. On that note, KC could have had Carr AND Flowers (giving them one of the best backfields in the league) considering they are still $16 million under the cap!

    There’s no excuse to put such a terrible product on the field year in and year out in this league. Carolina has made the super bowl, went to shit, and now uptrending all in a 5-8 year period. Seattle, Chicago, NYG, Arizona, Indy all have made the super bowl, went to shit, and built/currently building back up to promising teams all within less than a decade. Some of those teams aren’t super bowl contenders, but give their fans something to believe in. That feeling for this Chiefs fan is completely gone…….two games in….

    • chuck says:

      Dead on J Rok–

      I kinda think they could salvage what was left of the careers of players in their primes right now, by grabbing Nick Foles or some reasonable facsimile.

      I know, I know, but there isn’t much choice. Cassel is really, really bad. Any of you guys who have, in your lives, played competative sports, can see how uncoordinated, slow and galcial Matt is in the pocket. He is really bad, worse than Mark Sanchez.

      Hey, Brett Farve was on the bench in Atlanta.

      I know, I know, but it is the only logical thing to do, if they can’t get Matt Barkley.

      Get a 2nd string QB from another team and cross your fingers.

      One more time, we just can’t win with Cassel, and I believe that his incompetance has a necrotic effect on the rest of the team.

      Sorry I had to say that, I think he is a really nice guy and has made a lot of cash.

      God Bless Him.

      Send us a postcard.

  13. Joe Blow says:

    That Babb column read like a whiny blogger — Pioli has an ego! The Chiefs suck! Fans want them to get better! He throws out a lot of accusations, but, just like some random blogger, really doesn’t have anything to back up his assertions..

    • BlackJack says:

      He doesn’t really have anything to back up his assertions, aside from the 2-game turdfest the Chiefs have just layed.

  14. tigerdan4 says:

    The problem is 100% Pioli. Lets go over what he’s done since he got here. Brought in Cassel as our franchise qb and paid him ridiculous money. Fail. Brought in Haley as HC. Fail. Drafted Tyson Jackson 3rd overall and said he’s a “system player” but not necessarily a star. Well that’s an understatement. TJax isn’t even a replacement level d-lineman, to borrow a term from baseball. Fail. In fact, every draft pick Pioli has made has been a failure except Berry & Houston & Lewis & maybe Succop. He’s never once brought in another qb in the hopes of creating competition with Cassel, who has obvious limitations. When Peyton Manning became a free agent, he wouldn’t even give the Chiefs the time of day. Jeff Fisher wanted no part of coaching here and took a job with the worst franchise in football. People simply don’t want to work with and for Pioli. When Flowers went down with his injury in training camp, Egoli didn’t bring in ANY cb help. And on opening day we have Jahlil Brown & that Reaves guy (I don’t even know his first name he’s so bad) trying to guard Julio Jones and Roddy White. It’s a freaking joke. This whole operation is a mess and it’s only going to get worse until we get a new GM in there. Oh and I forgot to mention $26 million under the salary cap! The Chiefs are the Royals of the NFL. Cheap and dumb and BAD.

    • Husker Bill says:

      “Cheap and dumb and BAD.” Reminds me of the classic line from Animal House: “Fat, drunk and stupid is no way to go through life, son!”

      It doesn’t have to take 2-5 years to turn a franchise around IF you have the right management. I’m a 49ers Fan. We were the worst team in the worst division in the NFL a couple of years ago. We brought in a quality coach and we were a turnover away from the Super Bowl in his first year, with a QB that no Chiefs fan would have traded Cassel for prior to last season. It CAN happen, with the right GM / Coach. I don’t believe the Chiefs have either.

  15. tigerdan4 says:

    Husker Bill is right. The 49ers are good example that it doesn’t have to take years to build a winner. This is year 4 for Pioli. By year 4 things should be up and running. There should be depth on the roster so you can withstand a few injuries and not have a total disaster like the first 2 games last year and you shouldn’t ever have 2 games like the first 2 this year in year 4. Under any circumstances. If the players aren’t responding to the coaches, bring in better players and coaches. That’s on Pioli. He’s paid to get it right. So far, most every major decision he’s made has been wrong. And this is what we get for it.

    • JP says:

      This team has a lot of the parts right now. It is lacking a quality HC, quality GM (to draft and supplant talent, when the team gets old) and of course, a franchise QB. That can be obtained in the draft. This team is not that far away, looking at the talent. The problem is all of the talent is from the Herm/CP days except for a few players. Pioli should be canned on principle if (or should I say when) this team finishes with 6 or fewer wins.

      Trust me, Marty Schottenheimer could take this group of players to at least 10 wins and the playoffs.

      • chuck says:

        Good ‘Marty’ point.

      • mike t says:

        i agree. but i’m old school. so old, that i’m trying to remember what “Chiefs” football really meant. i think i’ve forgotten, but seem to recall it was a most excellent defense that won the turnover battle and pressured the Qb, and an offensive line that would crack heads together to create holes and buy time. ask lenny. am i wrong? (it’s okay if i am, i’m old degenerate fart wheezing for breaths and don’t care all that much what anyone thinks.)

  16. DRitt says:

    No other franchise operates with the cronyism and the arrogance of the Chiefs, who scout poorly, draft poorly, lose consistently, and bungle any hopes of retaining high quality players: Allen, Tynes, Kawika Mitchell, Bernard Pollard, Brandon Carr, etc. This team’s inability to win is bad enough; what is far worse is the arrogance of our surly, candywrapper-collecting micromanager of a GM, the guy wants to build as the Steelers have, yet tells us to believe in “The Patriot Way.” Which fucking way is it?!
    28 Million under the cap, a puppet of a coach, a d-line that can’t tackle, and a team that hasn’t won a playoff game since Ace of Bass was top-of-the-charts. Empty the stadium for the San Diego Game and the Clarks will take notice.

  17. KC KID says:

    I have owned tickets since Marty came to town. I wanted Pioli and thought Super Bowls would follow him to KC. This Pioli can’t admit his mistakes, and dump his mistakes. Cassell was a mistake. He is the 24th best QB in the game, and we bring in no competition for him. We won’t re-sign Kyle Orton for fear of a QB controversy, though if one of them became the backup to the other one, it would strengthen the Chiefs QB position.
    He drafted T – Jackson with the 3rd freaking pick in the draft and will not cut him despite undrafted free agents who perform better than the worst D lineman in the league ( T JAX).
    He drafts mediocre picks over solid players, he can’t get Payton Manning to call him back, yet he worries about gum wrappers in the hallways!
    He spends 26 million than the cap……… Let’s dump this chump!

  18. Tacky says:

    I normally think Fescoe is the second coming of Forest Gump, but his rant this morning was awesome: http://www.610sports.com/topic/play_window.php?audioType=Episode&audioId=6035704