OTC: How Much For Andrew Luck? / “Have A Catch” Tradition For Opening Day

“I’d give up five first-round picks for [Stanford’s Andrew] Luck. I heard Steven and Nate on The Border Patrol say they’d give up three first-round draft picks for him. Let’s ratchet  it up and give Indianapolis five first-round picks. That would at least make them have this conversation.”
Soren Petro, 810 AM
GH: When I heard Petro make this ridiculous-sounding claim, I immediately dismissed it as sports-talk gibberish. But then Petro listed the Chiefs’ last five first round picks; Eric Berry, Tyson Jackson, Branden Albert, Glenn Dorsey and Dwayne Bowe. Granted, you have a couple of All-Pros in that list with Bowe and Berry – but wouldn’t you trade
both immediately to draft Luck? Reports are that the Colts are locked in on drafting Luck to replace Peyton Manning and have him as their QB for the next 15 years. But I think this spring we are going to hear reports of some of the most outrageous trade offers in the history of the draft, as teams try to wrestle the rights to draft Luck from Indy. Five number ones? How do you NOT at least consider that offer?

“The Chiefs desperately need to replace Barry Richardson. Richardson has graded out as the worst starting right tackle in the NFL.”
Drafttek.com
GH: Mock drafts are everywhere on the Internet right now. This website thinks the Chiefs will use their top pick to draft Riley Reiff, a 6’6 300-pound offensive tackle from Iowa. The Chiefs were reportedly close to drafting Iowa’s OL Brian Bulaga back in 2010 and have picked up both Stanzi and Moeaki from the Hawkeyes’ roster. While the Chiefs are desperate to fix the problems in their aging offensive line, do they really need to burn
their number-12 overall pick on an OL? Probably. It’s not a sexy pick but keeping Matt Cassel healthy will be a huge priority in 2012. 
 

“It ain’t gonna happen. Scott Pioli probably hates Peyton Manning more than anybody.”
Nate Bukaty, on the Chiefs chances of signing Manning, 810 AM
GH: Who would be on Pioli’s Top 5 Most Hated List? Here are my guesses; 5) Tyson Jackson 4) Tyler Palko 3) Jason Whitlock 2) Todd Haley’s tailor/barber 1) Todd Haley.

“I didn’t want to sit behind Joe Montana – even though it was good for me. If I’m in Andrew Luck’s position, I want to play right away.”
Steve Young, on speculation that the Colts may draft Luck to sit behind Manning for a year or two, ESPN

“I think Peyton has already intimated in his comments that if [the Colts] are going to draft Andrew Luck, I’m going to go play somewhere else. If I were Peyton Manning and they said they were going to draft Andrew Luck, I’d say that’s great but I’m going to go
win a Super Bowl somewhere else.”
Steve Young, ESPN
GH: If Manning returns healthy in 2012, it will be very odd to see him wearing anything but a Colts jersey. But I remember Joe Willie playing for the Rams at the end of his career. And a guy named Montana wore Chiefs red for a couple of years as well. 

“I don’t think [Peyton] Manning is going to be there [in Indianapolis]. I think they are going to go with Luck. I think they are going to completely tear that thing down.”
Kevin Harlan, 810 AM
GH: How incredibly blessed are Colts fans? They have the opportunity to go from Peyton Manning to Andrew Luck – possibly 30 years of cheering a HOFer as their quarterback. That franchise had another guy who could play as well – a guy named Johnny U. 

“I don’t think [Manning] is going to play. I think it’s no better than 50-50. Honest to God. I know the neck is still an issue.”
Kevin Harlan, 810 AM
GH: I agree with Harlan that Manning is a huge question mark to return – ever. I have a good friend who was a great quarterback with a big arm who suffered nerve damage to his neck in the weight room about seven years ago. He never was able to throw again. Nerves just don’t regenerate like torn muscles. I’m hoping Peyton’s injury is less severe but whenever you are talking about nerves and the neck, recovery time is typically charted in years, if ever.

“I like [Robert Griffin III] from the neck up. I think this is a very, very bright kid. Not only book smart…but football smart. Until you’re around it, you don’t really understand
what I’m talking about. Football intelligence is one of the most essential things you have to have in how and understand to play the game. I think he does it extremely well.”
Matt Millen, ESPN
GH: Matt Millen is now lecturing NFL fans on “football intelligence?” His presence on ESPN as an expert should remind us all that just because someone is on TV, radio or in print – they often don’t know any more than Seinfeld’s Uncle Leo. 

“Unless they franchise him, I think the Chiefs are going to lose Brandon Carr. If you lose Brandon Carr, you have a gaping hole on your team. … Unless they franchise Brandon Carr, I do not believe he will be back.”
Nick Wright, 610 AM
GH: This is a bold statement from Wright. I listened intently to his interview with Carr on Thursday but the subject was barely broached. Carr told Wright he preferred to not discuss his contract talks and Wright chose to respect his wishes. Pioli has proved very successful in preventing the big-name Chiefs’ free agents from leaving. Carr’s work
against the Broncos alone showed his value. I don’t think it will take a franchise tag to resign Carr but it will take a chunk of The Clarks money. 

“We have been working basically nonstop since the season ended on All-Star preparation. A chance to see a fanfest like you’ve never seen before will be this summer [at the
All-Star game].
Toby Cook, of the Royals PR staff, on why the Royals chose to not host a preseason fanfest as in year’s past, 610 AM
GH: I just can’t get too juiced about baseball talk in January and February. I love the sport – I’m still playing shortstop in my over-50 softball league – but I’ve never warmed to the hot-stove league. I will admit though that these young Royals have my interest.
Following Eric Hosmer on Twitter and reading about his optimism and attitude is
infectious. I even slipped my glove on last week and tossed myself a few pop ups on the driveway. 
 

“Utah and Stanford combined for 6-26 (23%) on FT’s [Thursday]. Worst in any D-I game since at least the 03-04 season.”
Ken Pomeroy, Twitter
GH: At the risk of sounding older than Coach Norman Dale, what in the heck is wrong with these kids today? It’s called a FREE throw because it’s FREE! It’s a gift from the basketball gods! Take a breath, square your shoulders, bend your knees and follow through. Doesn’t anyone play 21 anymore? 

“This team relies on Tyshawn as much as any one person since I’ve been here. I think fans should respect that.”
Bill Self, on the mounting criticism directed at the KU senior point guard, Hawk Talk
GH: This is an interesting comment from Self. I have to disagree. Sherron Collins was the heart, soul and much of the offense for Kansas during his junior and senior season – good or bad. This year’s edition of the Jayhawks relies on Thomas Robinson as much as any player I can remember who doesn’t handle the ball. But if you ask me who I’d be willing to give up between Robinson and Taylor – I wouldn’t hesitate in benching Taylor. I don’t think Self would either. 

“[Travis Releford] is kind of a cross between Brady Morningstar and Tyrel Reed. He’s really going to be a major component to this team.”
Rich Zvosec, 610 AM
GH: We might just be witnessing the coming out party of Travis Releford. This fourth-year junior now has some confidence – and confidence is a great asset when it combines with talent. If Releford continues to score in double figures, KU will be very tough to crack.  

“There’s nothing on this show that we’ll talk about that you can’t live without. Nothing.”
Soren Petro, reminding listeners that it is okay to miss a moment or two of his show when nature or life calls, 810 AM
GH: I have never heard it put this way by a radio talk show host. Well said, Soren. 

“All 397 national parks offering FREE admission this weekend, Jan 14-16th in honor of Dr. Martin Luther King Jr birthday.”
Kelly Jones, news anchor at KCTV5, Twitter

“If you have a 41-game or 81-game season ticket, you’re in.”
Toby Cook, on how to secure a ticket to the All-Star Game at Kauffman Stadium this July 10th, 610 AM
GH: How crazy is Kansas City going to be this summer come All-Star week? Take the Big 12 tourney week and times it by 100. Kansas City is rarely the focal point of an event where the national media is focused. That all changes the week of July 10th 

“Hey, dad? You wanna have a catch?”
Ray Kinsella, Kevin Costner’s character from the movie Field Of Dreams
GH: For years I have wanted to begin a nationwide tradition for baseball fans each Opening Day. My idea is to have baseball fans of all ages in every city in the world “have a catch” with their sons, daughters, moms, dads, friends and relatives. The MLB season opens this spring on Wednesday, April 4th, with the Cardinals at the Marlins’ new ball park. But MLB considers Thursday, April 5th, as their official Opening Day. How cool would it be if on April 5, 2012, between 7:00 AM and 9:00 AM all across the globe, fans from all walks of life broke out their leather mitts and had a catch on the sidewalk in front of their house, in their office parking lot or the passenger loading areas at LaGuardia, LAX and Heathrow? I think we can make this happen. I’ll bet Costner would help and be our spokesperson. I’m sending this idea to Toby Cook and the Royals and see if we can get some Kansas City wind behind starting this throw-back tradition this April 5th.

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23 Responses to OTC: How Much For Andrew Luck? / “Have A Catch” Tradition For Opening Day

  1. Gavin says:

    Speaking of John Unitas and leaving the team that made them famous, don’t forget that Johnny U. left the Colts for the Chargers late in his career. I actually have Unitas’ football card from when he was in San Diego, which is the only reason I remember a mistake best left forgotten.

  2. Guy Who Says What Others Think says:

    My head is still spinning from Game 6 of this past World Series. One of the best I’ve ever seen, if not THE best. David Freese will never have to buy a drink in St Louis for the rest of his life.

  3. Ron says:

    Andrew Luck is not going to automatically make the Cheifs a favorite to reach the Super Bowl. It’s silly to talk about a college player in the NFL Hall of Fame before he’s even drafted, even given the fact that it’s not that hard to get voted into the football HOF. At this stage of their respective careers, I doubt Andrew Luck is better than Matt Cassell. Andrew Luck has the tools to potentially be a good QB in the NFL. So does Josh Freeman and Blaine Gabbert. Look where their teams are at right now.

  4. Uncle Dick says:

    Costner may be into it, but James Earl Jones said he wasn’t interested in walking into a cornfield in Missouri with a bunch of white guys.

  5. KevinB says:

    “Have a catch tradition?” Count me IN. My son is 7 months and I have this crazy idea to take him to the home opener (and every home opener after that). I am excited that he may grow up loving this Royals’ team and watching a winner like I did when I was a kid.

  6. godlesssailor says:

    “Jerry! Hello.” RIP Len Lesser.

  7. kansas City Guy says:

    If I could go back in time I would give 3-5 first rounders to Baltimore for the rights to John Elway. I think you could have got him for 2 firsts, but our firsts sucked so bad in the 80s that what the heck. The Chiefs would have been in 5 Super Bowls with Elway at QB!!!!!!!!!!

  8. Smartman says:

    Andrew Luck will get skull fucked through the eye sockets if he starts right out of the box. He’s good but I don’t think he’s as good as Peyton was coming out of Tennessee.

    I don’t think Peyton comes back. Too much potential downside to the quality of his life and potential future earnings, for what, another ring. Hopefully his friends and family will make sure he makes the right long term decision for himself and his family.

    Five first round picks for Andrew Luck is Al Davis mainlining heroin batshit crazy.

    Toby Cook makes Mitch Holthus look like Charles Bronson. There won’t be anything better, special or different about The All Star Game or Fan Fest in KC compared to last years or next years game. It’s all a bucket of overhyped bullshit. Mayor Sly gets to throw out the first pitch and his son Kyle will throw out the first bitch.

    You wanna do something special for your sons? Take em to Hooters every Saturday from the age of 13 to 18. When they turn 18, teach em strip club etiquette. They’ll remember that a helluva lot more than playing catch. You never saw Uncle Jed playing catch with Jethro did ya? By the time your kids grow up there won’t be any white people playing baseball anyway. Buy em a set of Mizuno blades and turn loose at the muni.

  9. JP says:

    I think the talk of franchise QB’s could depend a lot on the results this weekend. Pay close attention to Saints @ 49ers, as that is a power offense v. power defense. If Green Bay, New England or New Orleans hoist the Lombardi Trophy, then you will see some of the most ridiculous trade offers thrown at the Colts for Manning, as well as the #1 pick. However, if San Francisco, Baltimore or Houston hoist the trophy, this #1 QB talk will die down and Defense will still be the component that wins championships. A very interesting debate.

    • Java Man says:

      Excellent point, JP.

      Greg, “Have a Catch” will NEVER work without buy in from Hallmark. I would gladly exchange for Valentines Day.

  10. tigerdan4 says:

    I wouldn’t give up 5 first round picks to draft Luck. What if he gets hurt in his first year and is never the same again? We’d be up a creek and the future would’ve been mortgaged. I would, however, trade this year’s first and a conditional first for Peyton Manning. Thats what the Chiefs should do, IMO. Bring Peyton in here, upgrade the o-line, sign a proven pass rusher in free agency, re-sign Carr and Bowe, we’ll be getting Charles & Berry & Moeaki back. I think we’d be unanimous favorites to win the division and likely contend for the AFC title. They can afford financially to do all of that. Why not? Lets go for it.

  11. tigerdan4 says:

    Unless Peyton can’t play anymore, of course.

  12. Orphan of the Road says:

    Peyton said those who had told the media he and Luck couldn’t co-exist had not examined how he was a team player.

    Costner wanting to play catch.

    “All my father wanted was someone to throw a ball in the backyard. I did but he didn’t attend”, Mitch the gay lawyer on Modern Family.

  13. Kyle Rohde says:

    Greg, what was the context of Petro’s comment about missing parts of his show?

    • Greg Hall says:

      He was just telling listeners that there was nothing happening on his show that they needed to skip a bathroom break for or stay in their car when they should be dropping the kids off at daycare. He and Kurtis were just discussing that while they hope to be informative adn entertaining, there was nothing that they say that could not be missed.

  14. fatface says:

    I dream of building a diamond in the midst of verdant cornfields- having a young version of my dad come back to life…we meet on the diamond…look at each other..and I knock that douchebag the f-ck out.

  15. Joe Blow says:

    *Eric Berry, Tyson Jackson, Branden Albert, Glenn Dorsey and Dwayne Bowe*

    You would trade these guys for a completely unproven college QB who may or may not ever be able to catch up to the speed of the next level? There are two all-pros, a decently solid offensive lineman, and…two defensive lineman…

    But it’s not even trading these specific players — it’s trading the *next* five first round picks. Maybe it’s more of a Tamba Hali or Derrick Johnson instead.

    It’s a stupid statement, and a dumb idea…

  16. Merle Tagladucci says:

    I wouldn’t trade 5 first round picks for ANY player coming out of college at any position. It’s patently insane. The pressure a move like that would create not only on the player but on the franchise for making the move would be a shitstorm and anything short of 3 Super Bowl rings is a bust. And then for the next five years you have no first round picks yet have to continue building a roster and adding talent. Trading two first rounders and a combo of a second and two thirds or some variation would be more sensible but FIVE first round picks for one guy and you should have your head examined.

    I don’t care what hindsight argument you want to roll out to prove your argument. You can always say “If I’d just put all my chips on red instead of black I’d have won a bunch of money.”

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