OTC: K-State Deservedly Dominates B12 Awards / Media Criticism Melts Mad Jack But Never KK

“Quarterback Collin Klein and linebacker Arthur Brown were named the offensive and defensive players of the year on the All-Big 12 [coaches] team in voting by the coaches and Bill Snyder was coach of the year to sweep the top three honors. Meshak Williams was selected defensive lineman of the year. Klein also was selected offensive player of the year by The Associated Press, one day after Snyder was named the coach of the year.”
Topeka Capital Journal
GH: I mentioned this past summer that I thought K-State’s schedule was so difficult, that Snyder’s team could lose eight games this season. It was not met with much enthusiasm from the Catbacker crowd – and rightfully so. While last season’s K-State football team appeared to win on lucky bounces and desperate comebacks to beat more talented teams, this year’s Cats were stacked with talent and they dominated most foes. Their comeback win over Texas – after suffering a crushing defeat to Baylor – was one of the more remarkable wins I witnessed this season. I am hoping the Mayans will be proved wrong in this, the Year of the Wildcat.

“Really, I have no argument if any of those guys win [the Heisman]. But if you’re asking me for my prediction I think it’s going to be Johnny Football.”
Steven St. John, on the three finalists, Manti Te’o, Collin Klein and Johnny Manziel, for the prestigious New York Athletic Club’s reward, 810 AM

“Really, in almost any other year Collin Klein would be a shoe-in for the Heisman.”
Curtis Kitchen, of CurtisKitchenKC.com, 610 AM

“If Manziel does win the Heisman, and passes through Waco on the way to his bowl game, he should thank Baylor. Had the Bears not halted K-State’s unbeaten run, Collin Klein would be the 2012 Heisman frontrunner. Still. Weird what one defeat can do to sway voters. And K-State’s lone defeat was to Baylor, where last year’s winner, RGIII, happened to play.”
Kevin Haskin, columnist, Topeka Capital Journal
GH: Klein’s Heisman’s chances took a huge hit with that Baylor loss – and in my mind deservedly so. I think Klein is a great college quarterback and it has been a privilege to follow his career from such close proximity. But is he the best college football player this season? Not to me. With his bull-rush running style and javelin throwing motion, he needed to be perfect. He was not.

“I know guys who aren’t even football people who vote [for the Heisman]. They don’t even watch college football. They just get excited about guys who run around and make plays and are freshmen. I think that’s why [Johnny Manziel] will win it.”
Gary Barnett, 810 AM
GH: Barnett doesn’t have a Heisman vote but if he did he said he’d vote for Notre Dame’s Manti Te’o first and Collin Klein second. “I’m old school,” he added. I think that’s coach-speak for; “A freshman quarterback doesn’t deserve the Heisman.”

“It is an individual vote. I can vote for anybody I want to. I can vote for the Notre Dame kicker if I want to. There is no criteria at all. No one can tell me how to vote. If someone says, ‘I’m not going to vote in a freshman,’ he has the right to do that. That’s the beauty of this thing. The Heisman people don’t have anything to do with how we vote.”
Tim Brown, 1987 Heisman winner as a Notre Dame wide receiver, Sirius XM 91
GH: It will be interesting to see who does win the Heisman on Saturday night. I think Johnny Football wins it easy with Te’o finishing a distant second. Who woulda thunk it? How about MU’s Maty Mauk for the Heisman in 2013? It wouldn’t be any crazier than Johnny Football’s unexpected rise in 2012.

“Uneasy is the head that wears the visor, particularly after fans have grown accustomed to a lifestyle afforded by Chase Daniel, Chase Coffman and Jeremy Maclin. In his four years on the job, [David] Yost grew gaunt. His cheeks sank, his eyes bagged, his once frolicking locks drooped like lacquered straw. He had entered his grunge phase. For some reason, reporters were only allowed to talk to the coordinators once every other week, and even at that, Yost would put off descending the staircase to meet the media for as long as he could. … Some guys are so sure they’re right and everyone else is wrong that criticism doesn’t bother them. I don’t think Yost is one of those guys.”
Joe Walljasper, writer, on Yost retiring from his position as MU’s offensive coordinator, Columbia Daily Tribune
GH: I have always found it fascinating how differently some people in the spotlight handle criticism. Yost apparently allowed his critics to cripple his ability to enjoy his job. Read on.

“If you have any sensitivities in those jobs it becomes a weakness. If you have any sensitivities at all, you can literally get tired of [the criticism].”
Gary Barnett, when asked to comment on Walljasper’s column on Yost, 810 AM
GH: Barnett could not be more dead on in my book. I cannot say with any validity if we are born with thick skin or develop it. Likely a bit of both. But few of us are subjected to the scrutiny and criticism that befalls our sports heroes. I have always respected those who are built to weather the storm rather than seek shelter from it.

“I read every letter I get – and it bothers me. It bothers me! It doesn’t bother you? We’re in the public eye and we have to listen to the public!”
Jack Harry, while discussing reading hate mail from his viewers with Kevin Kietzman, 810 AM
GH: Some members of the media are just as recognizable as sports figures – but they do not encounter anywhere near the criticism. Mad Jack almost quit his job earlier this year due to the hateful correspondence he said he received from Kansas fans following his early-season dismissal of the eventual Final Four Jayhawks basketball team. As Barnett stated, it’s a weakness.

“KU is fortunate that Missouri saw the light and bailed for the SEC. There is no question in my mind – none – that the Tigers would win the Big 12 [basketball title] if they hadn’t joined the SEC. … Missouri is picked third [in the SEC]. It would be tough for Kansas to crack the top three in the SEC. My only regret about Missouri leaving the Big 12 is they did it one year too early. The Tigers would have owned the Big 12 this year.”
Jack Harry, in a Jack Smack commentary this past October,  KSHB.com
GH: Mad Jack is simply a guy who talks tough but wilts under the burn of an anonymous email. He’s lucky he’s not one of the athletes, coaches, GMs or owners he so often verbally scorches.

“I’ve often said that if those people [in the media who criticize the media] would work as diligently to go get the story as they do poking holes through people who do good stories. You see a lot of that in our business. That’s the nature of the beast.”
Jack Harry, on media criticizing media, 810 AM
GH: Obviously not all criticism is warranted. But so what? That is all the more reason to evaluate your nasty emails and then determine if they are accurate or trashcan material. If you get paid to play an opinion-based role in the media – you damn well better be pissing some people off. Making everyone happy is not your role or your goal. For a veteran like Jack to not understand this is just stunning to me.

“I am 100% convinced that everyone on the staff of this radio station has done a great job in being professional. We have journalists here. We have sports journalists here. I am most proud of that at this radio station because this medium when we started 15 years ago was a wasteland. I think we’ve covered it beautifully. I don’t think we’ve done a thing wrong.”
Kevin Kietzman, 810 AM
GH: KK doesn’t like criticism but he handles it with an all-encompassing ego that crushes the life out of any possible negative thought. In KK’s mind, he is never wrong. Never. He knows better than all who dare question his brilliance. While it might border on insanity, his style allows him to sleep well at night while Mad Jack frets over Jayhawk-stained emails.

“I knew it was Jovan Belcher an hour before I announced it. I don’t need the Kansas City police [to tell me]. It wasn’t about being first. I think that’s our job – if you know, you tell people.”
Kevin Kietzman, 810 AM
GH: Kietzman’s rant on this subject – his third consecutive day of devoting most of his four-hour show to the subject – was just wild, crazy stuff. Jack Harry sat beside him for an hour and barely uttered an intelligent counterpoint. In other words – it was a regular Wednesday appearance for Mad Jack. Read on.

“Apparently there’s some unknown creed among news journalists that in a case like this you wait for the police to confirm who it was. To me that’s ludicrous! He’s a public figure! He’s a football player! I’m not waiting on the police!”
Kevin Kietzman, 810 AM
GH: The criticism that KK received from others in the media was that he failed to wait to get word from the police that relatives of Belcher’s had been notified. Does it matter to the deceased Belcher whether or not he’s outed for his crime? No. But what crime have his relatives, friends and loved ones committed to hear his name first come from KK’s lips? I think Kietzman is disingenuous when he says it was not about being first. It was all about being first.

“Mine wasn’t so much what I heard as but what I knew. I knew who it was. I didn’t need the police to confirm it. There was no question. I knew.”
Kevin Kietzman, 810 AM
GH: This statement is simply idiotic – unless Kietzman was in the Arrowhead parking lot alongside Romeo and Pioli. It was ALL about what KK heard. Any reporter or journalist knows you never know – sometimes even if what you see is true.

“This morning’s is former Mizzou bball coach’s son, Mike Anderson Jr.’s 3rd arrest for DUI. (2007 in Columbia, another in Jan 2012).”
Ashley Avala, @ZavalaA, Twitter
GH: Mike Anderson hasn’t made many positive headlines of late. I hope Brett Bielema has better luck with his move to Arkansas.

“I’m glad the opportunity came at Arkansas … There’s only one school I would’ve done it for and that’s Arkansas.”
Brett Bielema, as he was introduced as the new head football coach at Arkansas
GH: How do coaches say these lines without being struck by lightning and having a farm house dropped on them?

“You know, I thought one play really started the whole thing the other night [for Nebraska against Wisconsin]. They got us on a reverse. They got us on a couple misdirection plays. And our guys started to overcompensate to the outside, and then they got us in the middle. They got us a little out of kilter. We did the same thing to Florida in 1995. The next year, Steve Spurrier won the national championship. Sometimes a game like that can be instructional. It can end up helping you. But right now, it seems like the sky is falling.”
Tom Osborne, attempting to put a positive spin on Nebraska’s embarrassing 70-31 loss to the Badgers in the Big 10 title game, Omaha World Herald
GH: If Nebraska wins the national championship next year, I will follow KK’s Heisman lead and shave my head. It just won’t take me nearly as long.

“[Rick] Majerus made regular stops in Omaha to see his friends, Joe and Mike and Broz. He liked Creighton and was the headliner at the Jaybacker Bash, the hoops fundraiser, one spring. Majerus showed up in a T-shirt and sweats and told one great story after another. He commented on the food, saying, ‘I have cuff links bigger than that piece of prime rib they served.’ Later that night, he joined the after-party at Big Fred’s, where he had a pizza and a meatball sandwich and told stories into the night.”
Tom Shatel, columnist, Omaha World Herald
GH: Majerus was a jolly old soul but his addiction to fatty foods probably didn’t help his early departure from life. 64 is far too young to hang up his sweater. Eat well this holiday but mix in some activities that include a bit of sweat. ‘Tis the season.

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64 Responses to OTC: K-State Deservedly Dominates B12 Awards / Media Criticism Melts Mad Jack But Never KK

  1. Gavin says:

    I understand the nature of the debate about Kietzman going public with Belcher’s name and it’s a good debate to have concerning the general question “does a news organization have to wait until police notify the family?” but in this case I think it’s reductive without being instructive. I’m just having a hard time getting into high dudgeon over this.

    After all, no one is roasting Kietzman for disclosing Kasandra (Kassandra?) Perkins’ name. As far as I know, he said nothing about her. But Belcher’s family already knew pretty much everything. His poor mother was already dealing with the fact that he shot Perkins while she (the mom) was in the next room over. He saw Perkins’ dying body, she saw her son kiss her on the forehead and kiss his kid as well. Belcher’s family didn’t require notification.

    And I have a hard time imagining that Perkins’ family wasn’t already aware of everything that had happened either. She’d been dead for hours by the time Belcher took his own life and I’m confident that someone, Belcher’s mom, police a doctor, someone had already notified the family. Is it possible Belcher’s mom learned of the suicide via the media rather than the police? I suppose so, but it cannot have been a surprise to her and I can’t imagine it was that much of a shock after everything she’d already seen.

    None of this is to defend Kietzman, a guy I love to hammer and it isn’t an answer to the general debate over the broader question. But in this case, I just don’t think he caused any more harm t han had already been done before he made his announcement.

    • Larry Mondello says:

      Belcher’s mom witnessed the murder. As for KK, we’ll see how he feels if…God forbid… something tragic happens to his loved one (child or something) and somebody tweets about it moments after the death….before he has been notified. It’s two way street. Twitterverse is changing the way everything is reported….lightning speed news.

      • Gavin says:

        I agree, Larry. All I’m saying is that Kietzman couldn’t have done any more harm to the family than they’d already suffered. They had to know it was going to get on the news and they (obviously) already knew what had happened. Kietzman “breaking” the name didn’t do anything. In your suggested situation, where Kietzman finds out from Twitter before he gets notified by the police, you’re suggesting he doesn’t know. In THAT situation there would likely be grievous harm but it’s a different situation.

        After all, what notification was Belcher’s mom going to get from the police that she couldn’t already have known or expected? She knew he was a killer, she called the cops on him. She knew that it wasn’t going to end well and I doubt that she was on Twitter following Keitzman in the first place.

        Again, not defending Kietzman. Just saying that I don’t think Keitzman caused any more damage than had already been leveled by Belcher’s own actions.

        • kcredsox says:

          “She’d been dead for hours by the time Belcher took his own life”

          Huh, have you read anything about what happened that day?

          • Gavin says:

            You’re right. It wasn’t hours. My mistake. But my point is that she knew what he’d done, that he’d left. She called the police on him. Nothing Kietzman disclosed could have been a shock to her, assuming she was on Twitter and following him in the first place, an assumption I have a hard time making.

      • Phaedrus says:

        Didn’t KK try to get the whole hummer episode covered up?

        I think it’s safe to say that he wouldn’t have taken too kindly to someone tweeting about his incident…

        • Gavin says:

          Yes, probably. Again, not defending Kietzman or his hypocrisy. Just saying that I don’t think he started the downfall of western civilization by disclosing Belcher’s name.

        • Old Man Kissel says:

          Wow, KK must have a lot of pull to have a whole police departmentt ignore that issue….

          810 scoops 610 once again.

    • Rick L says:

      Agreed. Bottom Line noted at the time that Kietzman acted like a journalist with the Belcher situation while KCSP acted like the sports talkers they are and waited for the team and police to tell them the news.

    • rbt says:

      “She’d been dead for hours by the time Belcher took his own life…”

      OK, I’ll go “duh” and say that I have clearly missed something…but everything I have heard says that Belcher shot Perkins shortly before 8:00 AM and that Belcher committed suicide shortly after, no later than 9:00 or so. Where has it been said that Perkins had been dead for hours before Belcher shot himself?

      • Gavin says:

        No, I’m the one that needs to say “duh” and also add in a hearty “herpderp.” It wasn’t hours and I was wrong. I had a brain spasm. But my point is that Belcher’s mom already knew what he’d done and that he’d left. Assuming she didn’t know where he was going, nothing could have surprised her. I doubt that she chose that moment to get on Twitter and follow Kietzman.

        All I’m saying is that nothing Kietzman did or said would have been a shock to Belcher’s mother. People are painting Kietzman’s actions as somehow the beginning of the end for everything American and that just isn’t the case.

  2. Larry Mondello says:

    Funny clip of Majerus on ESPN a few years back. Watch Steve Lavin’s reaction…classic. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b9J4NjkKtlc

    I think MU would have had more success in Big XII this year than SEC. Playing against an SEC defense is like running through a brick wall. Big XII defense is like running through a paper banner. No way Klein has as much success going against Bama, GA, FL, SC defenses week after week. Texas’s defense was 5th in the league yet yielded the most points in their history. I can’t think of one Big XII team that would have made it through MU’s schedule without at least 3 losses.

  3. dixon cider says:

    I CALL DIBS ON DA BENTLEY

    IT HAS A BIG BACKSEAT

  4. Steve says:

    I’m just curious as to how sixth-ranked K-State winning at home against an overrated Texas team is “one of the more remarkable wins” of this season? They were still playing for the Big 12 title and a BCS game. A&M winning at ‘Bama, or hell, K-State winning at OU was better. Just one man’s opinion.

    • Greg Hall says:

      Steve,
      K-State had given up over 580 yards in their previos game, a 52-24 loss to 1-5 Baylor. Everything appeared lost in Waco — the BCS title game, Klein’s Heisman, Snyder’s COTY…but a win over Texas secures the Big 12 title and a BCS Bowl. In the first half against Texas — it looked like the Horns were going to handle the Cats. Texas ran the ball like they were Baylor. I can imagine the atmosphere in Manhattan at the half was panic filled.

      But Klein and his KSU teammates came together and refused to repeat their last six quarters of football. They played like they had most of season in building their BCS resume. Stopping that negative momentum and doing it in such a dominating fashion made that win one of the season’s most remarkable.

      • DJ says:

        So they defeated an overrated Texas team at home and that is a remarkable win? Texas was only ranked as high as they were because of their name. Who did they beat the whole year? Their only decent win was against Texas Tech when they were ranked #18.

      • Steve says:

        That’s fine. I see how you’re trying to make it out to be a remarkable win, I just disagree. They may have been dominated in the first half, but the score was still only 10-7. I can’t imagine many K-State fans were really all that worried.

        For a game to be labeled remarkable, I think it has to be the kind of game you will remember. In my opinion the games that would qualify would be the win at OU (letting the nation know the team is for real) and then the ass-kicking at WVU (reaffirming that notion against a previously unbeaten team on their home field). But to each his own.

  5. Barles James says:

    Went to Manhattan for Saturday’s game – the atmosphere was incredible. Compare Klein and Manziel’s touchdown stats and competition. Johnny Football padded his stats against crappy teams, Missouri included. Klein did it against the country’s best. Baylor would have feasted on the unbalanced, watered-down SEC schedule this year. If Klein had to be perfect for the trophy, Manziel should have been too. He isn’t. That’s called a double standard.
    True story from Saturday – ran into a guy decked out in burnt orange gear outside the restroom. Asked him if he came from Texas. ‘No, I’m from Kansas,” he said. “I’m actually a KU fan.”

    • Barles James says:

      I’ll add this – there are sportswriters saying they like the fact that Manziel has a cool nickname. There are far too many fanboys covering college sports.

      • john doe says:

        Johnny Football is a cool nickname?

        I must have missed that memo.

        If annoying = cool then yes, it is a cool nickname.

  6. dman says:

    Also, KSU had an extra week to prepare for the game (and heal up). That win was not one of the more “remarkable” wins of the season. I agree with Steve, The KSU win at OU was a much more “remarkable” win.

    • Greg Hall says:

      dman, I agree that KSU’s win at Norman was a great win. But the pressure to win was not yet on K-State in that early Big 12 game. Everything was on the line against Texas and after the first half, it looked like all might be lost. I think i ttakes a special team and staff to halt that downward spiral and turn things around with all the Tostito chips on the table.

  7. Ron says:

    KK’s protestations to the contrary yesterday, there is now way the players passed the hat and paid for four busses to take the entire chief’s organization, including Clark Hunt, to Belcher’s funeral. It’s extremely likely the Kansas City Chiefs paid for the busses to take everyone to the funeral. It appears everyone’s rush to praise the chiefs for how they are handling the belcher situation was entirely premature.

  8. Greg says:

    “Compare Klein and Manziel’s touchdown stats and competition. Johnny Football padded his stats against crappy teams, Missouri included. Klein did it against the country’s best.”

    that is one unbelievable thought. A&M faced three top ten teams that I remember…Alabama, Florida, and LSU. K-State faced how many. Seriously!!

  9. JC says:

    Who has more trouble on the road – Mike Anderson or Mike, Jr?

  10. Jim says:

    Biggest game of Klein’s college career – He steps on his weeny against LITERALLY the worst defense in D1 football.

    Manziel’s biggest game – Goes on the road and beats the #1 in college football.

    That’s what’s going to stick in the voter’s mind. Stats schmats

    • Barles James says:

      and there is the double standard – K-state’s biggest game was at OU – where they won. A and M was NEVER ranked number one.

      • Barles James says:

        Because Johnny had already dropped two games.

      • DJ says:

        So Klein had 79 yards rushing and was 13/21 for 149 yards with one rushing touchdown in the biggest game of the year for K-State? Yea just give him the Heisman with numbers like that.

        • Barles James says:

          3 touchdowns total in the game – much more than the zero Johnny hype had in his losses

          • DJ says:

            Yea the two losses for Johnny hype was LSU and Florida in close games, glad they don’t have the great defenses like Baylor does…

            Oklahoma game(which you said was the biggest game of the year), Klein’s stats were one touchdown rushing with only 79 yards and 13/21 passing for 149 yards.

  11. Jim says:

    BJ, K-State the TEAM was ranked number 1. The Heisman is an individual award. Baylor was never ranked number 1 last year, but there was little question about RGIII winning it. Klein and the ‘Cats pee’d down their legs in what was ABSOLUTELY their biggest game of the year. Win THAT one, and you are playing for a National Championship. They were going to beat TX at home no matter what. The game against OU was big, but it wasn’t as important as winning in Baylor. The fact that it cost KSU a shot at the National Title for the first time EVER and a chance for their QB to win the Heisman for the first time EVER speaks to that directly.

    • Barles James says:

      There’s no doubt that K-State blew it.My point is, they were under enormous pressure for two reasons: – they were ranked number one, a pressure A&M and Johnny F never faced, and secondly – they played a round robin schedule with the deepest and I believe best league in college football. The game against OU defined the season – you lose that one and you’re NEVER in discussion for the national title game. My problem is that K-State and Klein in this situation always are presented as having to be perfect. In the Heisman, Manziel didn’t need to be perfect, and neither do the SEC schools.

      • DJ says:

        The Big 12 is a bunch of average teams with Oklahoma and KState being good. I am so tired of hearing how the Big 12 is such a great conference. Besides Oklahoma, what was the biggest win for K State? I don’t think beating Texas Tech, Oklahoma State, or Texas at home is a big time win at all. Road games against Iowa State, TCU(who would be better if their quarterback hadn’t been kicked off the team), or West Virginia.

        • Barles James says:

          nine bowl eligible teams out of 10. What’s your standard? name recognition? Well then, Auburn is a helluva team,

          • kc says:

            Barles, don’t bother. The mu-homers and some ku homers
            on here will never give K-State or Klein the credit they deserve. I think it’s call ENVY. GO WILDCATS!

          • DJ says:

            Bowl eligible doesn’t mean anything to me…you only have to get 6 wins for that. You get 3 wins in the non-con(tell me the Big 12 team who beat a top 25 team in their non-con?)and one against KU so you are already at 4…6 of the 10 teams finished with a record that is below .500 in the conference(2 other teams finished at 5-4)…how is that a powerful conference? Sounds like a bunch of average teams and then KState and Oklahoma…exactly what I said earlier.

            So what was KStates best win besides Oklahoma? Just wondering because I agree that beating Oklahoma on the road is a great win, but what other win would you say was good or even great?

          • Barles james says:

            There other best win would probably going to West Virginia which was ranked in the top 10 at the time since you are so interested in top ten teams. How many top ten teams did a and m beat outside Alabama? Also, glad to see mizzou fans dont even care about being bowl eligible. That will help you these next few years

          • DJ says:

            Missouri fan? Don’t know who you are talking to, but I am an Oklahoma fan. . Btw, I believe we were the only team in the Big 12 to play a top 25 team in the non-con even though we lost to Notre Dame.

            I thought the Big 12 sucked this year, and I think you just proved it with saying West Virginia was the 2nd best win a team that finished 4-5 in conference, that is all I needed to know. West Virginia wasn’t ranked in the top 10 when you played them, they were ranked 13th after getting hammered by Texas Tech on the road the week before after close win against Baylor and Texas and their easy 3 non-con schedule

            Bowl eligibility is a joke…if that is how you measure how good a football team is then you have no clue about college football. Missouri sucked this year and played a tough schedule and were still just one game away from qualifying for a bowl game.

            Never mentioned top 10 teams in any of my posts, but I will say that Texas A&M schedule was a lot more difficult then KState’s schedule especially since you are saying West Virginia is a good win.

  12. MrOlathe says:

    Is Jack saying MU would win the Big 12 Football or Basketball title this year? And what is he basing that on? And when will he just stop talking?

  13. Mick says:

    Speaking of people who vote but aren’t watching the football games, does O.J. still get a Heisman vote?

  14. Of Course it will be Johnny Football…SEC, duh.

  15. EMAW my ass says:

    Anyone crediting KSU with that BIG victory over that powerhouse OU at OU is simply a KSU homer. OU is WEAK this year and will get drilled in their bowl game…as will most Big XII teams. Color me unimpressed with the so-called dominant Big XII. WVU, TCU, Baylor, ISU, KU all lose 7 games games if they had MU’s SEC schedule and KSU, OU, OSU, TX and TX Tech all lose at least 3…perhaps 4 of those 7 games. Oregon beats KSU by at least 21 in the Fiesta. Klein comes homes this weekend without the Heisman.

    BTW…I was not impressed with that GREAT win over an unmotivated Miami team who has not been relevant for 10 years. I am sure that those Miami players were really excited to play football in the Flint Hills of KS at an over-expanded HS stadium.

    • Barles james says:

      Have another drink gary

    • kc says:

      What bowl game is your team in?? I thought so!!! But, hey mu is in the sec (big whoop). You can brag about your league, since mu is not good. They would be at least 8th in the Big 12. K-State would beat mu by 35. Your envy is really kind of sad. ‘EMAW my ass”, wow, grow up. mu might win 6 games next year. If not, you can still chant sec. sec….hahahaha

      • DJ says:

        I will say the same as”EMAW my ass”, and I am an OU fan. My team is in the Cotton Bowl. My team is in the Big 12, but I am a realist and I would prefer to play Florida, Alabama, Georgia, and South Carolina, because they are good matchups then playing the weak-ass Big 12 schedule we played this year.

        I thought we had a down year, and our only two losses were to KState and Notre Dame, nothing to be ashamed about, but really I don’t think we had a real good win either, except against Texas and Oklahoma State, but that is just because they are rivals.

  16. DJ says:

    What are you talking about? You don’t follow college football do you?

    K State and OU both won the Big 12 championships this year by the rules of the Big 12(though I think it is stupid because KState beat us). So in the last four years, we have won as many football championships as your school has in all of its existence. Don’t know what sport KState has ever won a championship at, but maybe you can refresh my memory so I can follow that sport a little closer.

    Yes I think our team wasn’t that great this year, shouldn’t lose to two teams at home, but at least they were both good teams. I honestly don’t think any of our wins were that great either.

    Btw, congrats on having a pool, you are such a big timer.

    • Barles James says:

      The pool is just a luxury. It’s nice to help out some down on their luck sooner t-shirt fans. If you’re going to count this year as an OU conference title, you need to subtract every Big 8 title won during the Switzer era, when he presided over a group of murderous, drug-dealing thugs.

      • DJ says:

        I guess a guy with your wealth and power should be able to get the Big 12 to change their rules for this year and just allow Kstate to be the Big 12 champions by themselves. As I said earlier(I understand reading isn’t a strong suit at the Harvard of the Midwest like KState), I think it is stupid too, but that is the rule and was just pointing it out since you said we didn’t win the weak Big 12 this year, when actually we did.

        • Barles James says:

          yeah, but you really didn’t win. It seems like we’ve hit a nerve with the t-shirt fan comment. Tell me about the first Wal-Mart you bought an OU shirt in. What was that like?

  17. The Smartman says:

    Getting into a non BCS bowl game is like graduating from public school. Nothing to be proud of.

    810 understands the formula for success is to have as many people that hate you listening to you as you do people liking you. As long as they maintain that delicate balance they will own the market. The stupid shit said on 810 is as much by design as intent. The 810 boys all willingly sacrifice integrity for money. Not like they could get REAL jobs making the kinda money they do now.

    Taking time to email any on air talent is a bigger waste of time than waiting for the next Chiefs Superbowl win. As for the callers, bigger idiots. With a vocabulary of words like, ya know, uh, okay, I mean, uh, what I mean, uh okay, so, uh, they are the pride of KC. The callers who start off with “I work union construction” are my favorite. Like it’s germain to the fucking topic of sports?

    The job of a caller is to make the host look good by either blowing them or getting them to berate you and make you look like an idiot. If you need validation that badly hire a hooker and pay her to tell you that you’ve got the biggest penis she’s ever seen.

    • Taxee says:

      Hey Smart, the 810 guys can’t be making that much money can they? Since every one of them except for Keitzman does a mortgage commercial.You’d think at least Pisstro and Boal should own a house by now.

  18. gassedup says:

    DIdn’t he close down the message boards? If it happens again I’d look for him to close down twitter. I bet he could do it.

    810 Controls the world.

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