OTC: Kietzman Blasts Mizzou’s Chances In SEC / Time For Doddering Jack Harry To Quit

“I think there is a chance that in the next 20 years, this year is [Missouri’s] best chance to compete [for an SEC title]. I’m saying their position this year is as good as it will ever be.”
Kevin Kietzman, 810 AM
GH: Kietzman despises the fact that Mizzou left for the SEC almost as much as he hates David Glass, New York and Nebraska Furniture Mart – or anything Nebraska. The SEC this season contains the two teams that finished first and second in the BCS last season, Alabama and LSU, – and both are expected to be just as good this season. Georgia, MU’s first SEC opponent, is ranked sixth in the country. South Carolina is ninth. Arkansas is tenth. If this season is as good as it gets for Mizzou over the next 20 years, somebody better order Tiger fans a jumbo glass of wine…or three.  

“In the next 15 years, what if you had to bet a thousand dollars of your own money that Missouri wins an SEC championship or it doesn’t? It wouldn’t even take me a half of a second to say no! They never won one in the Big 12! And that was 15 years.”
Danny Clinkscale, in a discussion with Jack Harry, 810 AM
GH: Clinkscale and Kietzman ganged up on the doddering Jack Harry as they do each Wednesday afternoon and bludgeoned him with anti-Mizzou rhetoric. Mad Jack absorbed the savage blows like he was Rocky Balboa in his first bout with Apollo Creed. Harry’s appearances on KK’s show have become a public session in meanness. Harry can no longer defend himself and it is evident to me that Kietzman revels in verbally abusing the old man he continually reminds us is his “good friend.”

“I don’t even know what that means! Tell me what teams are in the Big 12 North, Jack?”
Kevin Kietzman, after Harry assured KK that the teams in MU’s SEC East were better than the teams in the Big 12 North, 810 AM
GH: Harry has not been his former caustic self since the Kansas fans had him talking to his boss about quitting. Harry couldn’t handle the heavy heat this past spring that his online rips about Kansas basketball brought him and he has since been little more than a male version of Karen Kornacki. KK smells this change on Harry and now treats him like a 100-yard wide fairway – he pounds it. Mike DeArmond or Steven St. John [with his gloves off] would make a great replacement for this segment if KK wants a fair fight.

“The best thing I got out of this [vacation] is that I completely forgot about this business. For the first time, and I’m embarrassed to say this – I completely got away from this. I felt [in the past] I didn’t give my family enough. This time – no. I followed nothing.”
Jack Harry, on his 10-day vacation where he married off his third daughter, 810 AM
GH: I think Jack’s boss should have accepted his resignation. There is nothing wrong in unplugging while on a family vacation – but the good reporters, broadcasters and writers are unable to do it. Jack has lost his hunger. He sounds old, tired and ready to quit. He should go.

“[Mizzou’s] biggest problem is what in the world happens after Gary Pinkel’s gone? And who is going to want the job in that conference? That’s going to be tough.”
Kevin Kietzman, 810 AM
GH: That would be a great question for Gary Pinkel or Mike Alden the next time they are interviewed by Kietzman. It also would be a bad query for Bill Snyder and Charlie Weis.

“I’ll tell you what happen to Nebraska in [their first football season] in the Big 10. There was no mystique. All the mystique they had built up over the years [in the Big8/12] was just gone!”
Kevin Kietzman, 810 AM
GH: KK talks about NU’s inaugural season in the Big 10 as if they turned into Slippery Rock. NU won nine games and five of them in the Big 10 – Ohio State and Michigan State being among their better wins. Husker fans were disappointed – especially losing to Northwestern at home – but a nine win season in a new conference ain’t too shabby. If Mizzou can scratch out nine wins this year as a member of the SEC, no one is going to be talking about their lost Big 12 mystique.

“One thing you look at when A&M and Missouri decided to join the SEC is that contributions soared.”
Andy Staples, SI.com, 810 AM
GH: One thing that is difficult to dispute is the passion both MU and A&M have had about joining their new conference. I didn’t see the same balls-out everybody-on-the-bus lust for the Big 10 from Nebraska fans. I think NU is happy in their new home but A&M and Mizzou are dougie dancing all the way to Gainesville and back.

“Oh, I don’t know if I can identify any [schools] in particular, but you know, the loss of traditions – whether it’s Syracuse and Pittsburgh out of the ACC or the end of Nebraska and Oklahoma [playing] on an annual basis. And it isn’t just football and men’s basketball. There are lots of great traditions have developed in college athletics in the Olympic sports as well.”
Bob Bowlsby, Big 12 Commissioner, when asked by Jay Binkley to name the schools he believes made a mistake in leaving their conference for another, 610 AM
GH: I have high hopes for Bowlsby as the new B12 commish, but he needs to quit channeling Chuck Neinas for his answers. OU and NU haven’t played annually since 1996, BB.

“I don’t know if I’m openly critical of it. I just kind of feel sad about it.”
Bob Bowlsby, when asked about conference realignment, 610 AM
GH: Somebody get Bobby and JoPo a room together.

“I just love Charlie Weis’ confidence! He sounds like he’s saying, ‘Bring it on!’”
Kevin Kietzman, 810 AM
GH: KK is hearing things from Weis I am not read on. 

“I think psychologically these guys were just beaten down. They’d lost a bunch of games in a row and they didn’t think very much of themselves.”
Charlie Weis, on what he found at Kansas when he arrived, 610 AM
GH: Weis has one of the most difficult jobs in college coaching since Bill Snyder arrived in Manhattan. Can he turn around the $10-million mess Turner Gill left him? I will be rooting for the big guy to at least get the runaway train stopped this season.

“Those [K-State] teams always have character and character allows you to win those games in the end. That’s just the way Bill [Snyder] coaches. His teams play with character and they win games from behind. I don’t think things are going to change a whole lot. I don’t think they’re going to fall back in the pack. I think everybody’s going to contend with them in that conference.”
Gary Barnett, when asked if he expected KSU to slide back this season after so many close wins in 2011, 810 AM
GH: I doubted Snyder and his Cats almost every weekend last season. And every Saturday I sat in amazement as his gutty team proved me wrong. This season’s squad is better and more prepared. I am still somewhat skeptical. That Big 12 round-robin schedule is brutal. But the Cats are us northerners best hope over the southern juggernaut in Texas and Oklahoma.

“This is not going to be a 53-man [Chiefs’] roster chiseled in stone by Moses and brought down from Mount Sinai.”
Mitch Holthus, 810 AM
GH: Crazy Uncle Mitch is back – and he brought a parable!

“If I had to guess, going into [the final preseason game], they are going to keep four tight ends and no fullbacks.”
Mitch Holthus, on the pending roster cuts by the Chiefs, 810 AM
GH: This is the reason my wife makes me turn off sports talk radio in the car.

“Chiefs to win the AFC West.”
Peter King, SI.com
GH: SI’s Peter King is predicting the Chiefs go 10-6 and win the AFC West. He even has them winning their first-round playoff game over Buffalo. King also has Romeo Crennel as his choice for NFL Coach of the Year. But the good news ends there. The Monday Morning columnist has the Broncos in the Super Bowl and Peyton Manning as the league MVP. You have to admire King’s willingness to not only play outside the box but his ability to do it where there obviously is no oxygen.

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70 Responses to OTC: Kietzman Blasts Mizzou’s Chances In SEC / Time For Doddering Jack Harry To Quit

  1. B.A. Homer says:

    Gotta love Sybil Kietzman.

  2. Bugeaters says:

    What? KK taking shots at Nebraska and now Missouri for switching conferences; over-exaggerating about their “failures” and stating things as “facts” as if he is the only person that knows any better? This kind of “new” edge just might get me to listen to 810 Sports on the drive home again………………Yah…a bit heavy on the sarcasm…..

  3. Jim says:

    KK ought to be licking the very asses of Mike Alden and MU. This move just made the SEC relevant to 810’s audience. That’s another dozen schools to cover and follow on top of the Big 12 schools. That HAS to be good for business!

    I’m just looking for progress from KU. They were SO bad under TG that it is going to be a real challenge for CW. 3 or 4 wins would be a big step in the right direction. But, it’s their losses I’m more interested in. How close the losses are will be another positive indicator.

  4. donkeypunch says:

    Well hellooooooooooo everybody

    Beside rocking the flattop and gurgling on Norm Stewart’s meat whistle, give me one thing that old man Jack has contributed to the sports scene?

    • Will says:

      I believe he’s the guy that shit a clump of hair out of his ass that Bill Self now wears as a rug on his head.
      I call that a contribution.

  5. JP says:

    So KK and his lackey Clinkscale ganged up on Mad Jack. Awww, poor Harry, he goes on that show, he should expect it and more. KK talking up Charlie Weis does scare me, when Kansas is good is when KK is always nitpicking them. As for Jack, old habits die hard. However, it appears he will pick his battles more carefully in the future.

    To all the Missourah fans who thought there would be no coverage of Missori, start eating crow. The shows have all done a good job of going over not only the Big XII but the SEC as well. Fescoe’s SEC interviews have been interesting radio, and it’s cool to learn about the traditions in other parts of the country.

    The big loser on coverage is Greg’s own Nebraska Huskers. Until KK mentioned them, you wouldn’t know they are fielding a football team by the amount of radio coverage. Between the SEC and the Big XII, Nebraska and Iowa fans better head to the net if they want any coverage about their teams.

    • brett says:

      my memory is that it was the kansas fans on this message board who were convinced missouri would get no radio play.

      • JP says:

        My memory is that the Missouri fans were bragging about how all of their games would be on over the air TV. Yet, their game this weekend is on Pay per View. Yet the KU game gets over the air cable on Metrosports. In fact, KU is the only local team that is on the air this weekend. How about that!!!!

        • brett says:

          you win. ku football is better than missouri.

        • B.A. Homer says:

          Most of Missouri’s games are on TV, including at least 3 that will be on CBS.

          KU gets on Metrosports, a station that a lot of people don’t get? Makes sense to me.

          Over / under on the number of KU “fans” who care about the first game. 1000?

        • Jimmy Pop says:

          Every SEC team has one PPV game per year. Every team, including Alabama and LSU. But every other SEC game is on TV, most nationally.

          • john doe says:

            odd that a KU fan would bring up basketball

            Actually, most of MU’s games were on FoxSports Midwest

        • Guy Who Says What Others Think says:

          That’s because your memory sucks, JP. Mizzou fans were pissed about CONFERENCE games not being available on tv. No one expects every single non con against East Jesus University to be on tv. The only conference that has that 100% is the Big 10. Or maybe the new PAC 12. But make no mistake..once the SEC Network is up and running, ALL games will be televised. Meanwhile, the Big 12 continues to operate as a fractured collection of “city states” operating individually with their own third tier rights. The Longhorn Network is still an abject failure, with not even DeLoss Dodds being able to get it in his own house. True enough, the SEC currently has a similiar agreement, but those third tier rights will be yanked into the fold as soon as Slive says so. The real question is, when will ESPN decide to kill the LHN? And when it does, will Texas finally decide it’s time for a Big 12 Network?

    • Cliffy says:

      I think it’s the KU and KSU fans who should be eating the crow. They were the ones saying Mizzou would become irrelevant to KC sports media because, you know, this is a Big 12 town! I agree that the coverage has been good and I stopped taking KK seriously a long, long time ago so his crap doesn’t bother me a bit.

      • BlackJack says:

        Heck, you ought to be in love with KK now. His show is all-SEC, all the time programming. And it is an absolute love-fest with Mizzou. KK is going on record as saying that they will contend for first place in the SEC East (or whatever it is called). My only fear is that once the novelty wears off, all of this SEC coverage will lose its cache. This is town is not exactly a hotbed of SEC school alums, or fans of those schools.

        • Cliffy says:

          Are you sure we’re talking about the same KK?

          So, once the novelty wears off, there will be no more Mizzou fans to program to? And why would you fear that?

    • Fred Flintstone says:

      Am I the only one who feels like the Star (and others) are literally forcing the SEC down our throats?

      I could care less about MU, aTm, and the SEC. Nobody from that conference is a rival of the teams I root for.

      • Cliffy says:

        So let me get this straight. When you say “literally” — somebody from the Star is actually coming to your home and cramming newspaper down your gullet? And how just much less could you care? Or did you mean you “couldn’t” care less?

        • Fred Flintstone says:

          Yes Cliffy, when everyday that I open the newspaper and there’s an article about the SEC (not necessarily MU or aTm) it certainly feels like it’s being crammed down my throat. The articles might as well be about the PAC10, or the Big10, or the ACC as far as I’m concerned, no school in any of those conferences are my teams rivals.

          You may now check my post for spelling errors as well.

      • Guy Who Says What Others Think says:

        What, you believed the drivel from the Kansas side of the state line that a Missouri newspaper would suddenly begin ignoring the home state school, and it’s new conference? The SEC is the best atheletic conference in the country. What newspaper would be dumb enough to ignore that? Get used to it, Fred. MU/SEC coverage is going to be up front and in your face from now on.

  6. Smartman says:

    Jack and KK were high fiving and knuckle-bumping on the Metro Sports golf challenge with Mike Garozzo last night. Looked like buddies to me. KK’s swing leaves MUCH to be desired. He swings like a girl. He hit a line drive on a 116 yard par 3. Mike and Jack both hit beautiful shots. I’d be embarrassed to take KK’s swing out in public.

    MU will NEVER win an SEC title in football or basketball.

    Peter King wrote his report 3 weeks ago. Things have changed a bit since then.

    • B.A. Homer says:

      I’ll take that bet.

      • BlackJack says:

        You will? Despite the fact that Missouri never won a basketball or football title in the Big 12, and all you MU fans keep saying that the SEC is head and shoulders better than the Big 12?

      • Smartman says:

        I’m talking outright title, not winning their division. If that’s not a deal killer you let me know what you want to wager on an annualized basis. I’ll give you 10-1 odds. I’ll even fund a trust to keep the bet going after I’m dead. As an academic institution the move to the SEC is brilliant. When it comes to hoops and football, not so much.

    • Fred Flintstone says:

      Garozzo is a dirt bag. Listen to him tell his stories about how he and some friends flew to Vegas on a whim one night, called his wife from Vegas to let her know. Yeah, that’s a real family man.

    • Jimmy Pop says:

      Pretty sure that Mizzou won the Big 12 basketball title in 2012.

      • Fred Flintstone says:

        REALLY?
        I’d have sworn I read that KU has won 6 straight Big 12 Basketball Championships. Don’t remember seeing that they shared the title with anyone…especially MU.

        • Cliffy says:

          Really? kU has won 8 straight B12 championships and shared them it ’05, ’06 and ’08. You’re welcome.

        • Jimmy Pop says:

          Pretty sure I was at Sprint Center when Mizzou beat Baylor to win the Big 12 basketball championship. Look it up, Mizzou is listed as Big 12 champions.

          • Jim says:

            Jimmy, get a clue. That was the Big 12 Tournament. It was NOT the Big 12 Championship. Big difference.

          • Kyle says:

            Jesus, are you freaking serious? It’s a 3 day tournement.

          • Jim says:

            Serious about the difference between the Big 12 Tournament and a Big 12 Championship? Yes. You play 3 games to be champion of the tournament and 18 for the conference season. Like I said………big difference.

          • Edward says:

            The winner of the Big 12 Tourney gets the automatic bid to the NCAA tourney. Whether that’s fair, as opposed to the winner of the conference schedule, is a different argument.

  7. Terducken Tommy says:

    Holthus has become nearly impossible to listen to. He’s slightly above Herm Edwards’ segments, but if I hear him saying “Kevin, I’ve been watching tape…” I’m changing the dial ASAP to the nearest wine cooler gargling Eminem wannabe. Snyder’s replacement will be easier to find than Weis’ successor. I’ll be surprised if Weis fulfills 3 years of his contract in Lawrence.

  8. Gavin says:

    “Mike DeArmond or Steven St. John [with his gloves off] would make a great replacement for this segment if KK wants a fair fight.”

    What is it about Kietzman or his history that makes you think that Kietzman has any interest in a fair fight?

    • Guy Who Says What Others Think says:

      St John wouldn’t put up a fight. He’s a wuss when it comes to confrontation, especially when it comes to KK, who is his boss at some level.

  9. The Good Life says:

    Missouri fans should unite together and kill these guys…awful

  10. tigerdan4 says:

    Ah yes. I see that the jealousy is still running rampant around KC and on this site. All you Big 12 (Texas 10) folks are so jealous of Mizzou for getting invited to a prestigious conference that you all are beside yourselves. I don’t give a damn about the Big 12 (Texas 10). I have no reason to. My school has moved on to bigger & better things. No matter if we ever win an SEC title or not, we’re still better off than you and higher up on the national totem pole than you. So it’s nice to see that you still think about us. Have fun being Bevo’s bitches.

    • JFP says:

      It’s not jealousy at all. For the most part, everyone is happy you are gone.

      • Cliffy says:

        Oh goody. Another pissing match.

        Gavin … could you come up with another list of preemptive comments we could reference for threads like these?

        • Orphan of the Road says:

          Can’t we quantify the remarks by number? Then instead of typing all this out, I could just do this.

          #7

    • Terducken Tommy says:

      And this is why most of us won’t miss having Mizzou around

    • JP says:

      OK Dan. Because you happened to attend Missourah, you are better than anyone who attended KU, K-State or any other school in the area. Yes, the SEC is a great football league, and I’m glad this move has upped your precious self esteem.

      The truth of the matter is a beatdown is a beatdown. Whether it’s from Oklahoma and Texas, or Alabama and LSU. It still feels bad, and Missourah will find that out in the coming weeks.

      • Fred Flintstone says:

        JP, here’s the thing nobody is understanding yet….
        Let’s say MU does beat Georgia, Vanderbilt, Kentucky, or any other SEC school…who are they going to boast to? They aren’t beating my school(s). They can’t run any smack because they’re playing fricking Vanderbilt and Kentucky! Nobody in KC cares, except the other MU fan’s, and there just aren’t that many of them. The fun of winning is being able to poke your finger in your rivals chest and run smack, or “we just beat XYZ school, wait until we get ahold of your school.” So what if they beat Mississippi State? They don’t have any rivals in this area, they’re pretty much insignificant. It’s as if Colorado beats Arizona, the reaction will be, “Oh, OK.”
        Ask Nebraska fans if they get much attention in KC anymore…

        • Cliffy says:

          “Nobody in KC cares, except the other MU fan’s, and there just aren’t that many of them.”

          There aren’t that many of them? Hilarious.

          “It’s as if Colorado beats Arizona, the reaction will be, “Oh, OK.” Ask Nebraska fans if they get much attention in KC anymore…”

          Note to Fred: Colorado and Nebraska are not schools in the state of MISSOURI.

          • Fred Flintstone says:

            Correct Cliffy, they’re not, but they were in ALL discussions when they were a part of the Big8/12. Now, they’re not even spoken of.

            Cliffy you know damn well that MU alums in KC are dwarfed by KU and KSU alumni, don’t laugh that off.

            More specifically, in the KC Metro (especially now that MU is gone) Big 12 fans out number significantly, SEC fans. With that fact….whom do you think will get the most press coverage? When KK, and whomever is the current afternoon host at 610, get “CLICK” email and texts sent to them when discussing the SEC on a particular day, guess what? Yup, the SEC will get limited coverage. Supply and demand my friend.

          • Cliffy says:

            “Cliffy you know damn well that MU alums in KC are dwarfed by KU and KSU alumni, don’t laugh that off.”

            Hahahahahahaha. Of course I’ll laugh that off, Fred. It’s ludicrous. You’re just going to have to get your head around the fact that Missouri didn’t leave — the SEC moved in. Get used to it.

        • B.A Homer says:

          And on the flip side, who is going to be the first in line on the off chance that Kentucky or Vandy beats Missouri?

          The same fans who claimed we don’t matter and never will. That would be the highlight of their football season

        • Will says:

          Flintstone you’re a tool .

          The fun of winning is being able to poke your finger in your rivals chest and run smack, or “we just beat XYZ school, wait until we get ahold of your school.”

          Spoken like a true ku asshole. Who did you talk smack to during football season last year? Isn’t it time you you to crawl into a hole until basketball season? At which time you will crawl back out and be a bigger ass than you are now.

          • Jim says:

            KU doesn’t have the market cornered on assholes, Will.

          • Cliffy says:

            True, Jim. But this guy is so willing to put his assholeyness out there on display!

          • Fred Flintstone says:

            Nah, a tool is someone who insists that his (unworthy) school WON the Big 12 Championship by taking the trophy home from a year end basketball tournament that was designed to make the conference money, not determine the league champion. Truth be told, MU never won anything significant in the Big 12 in basketball, or in the Big 12 in football. I don’t even think you get a trophy for winning the Big 12 North and/or South. All you get is your ass kicked the next week by the winner of the South. I’m sure all MU fans can relate to that.

        • Will says:

          “[Mizzou’s] biggest problem is what in the world happens after Gary Pinkel’s gone? And who is going to want the job in that conference? That’s going to be tough.”
          Kevin Kietzman, 810 AM

          Spoken like a guy that’s too afraid to drink a beer because he’s thinks he’ll piss his pants.

  11. RickM says:

    One more item to add to the list of things Kietzman hates: St. Louis, particularly the Cardinals.

    • Fred Flintstone says:

      Only reason I can think of to like Keitzman.

      • Guy Who Says What Others Think says:

        Kietzman hates champions. Mostly because they are consistently kicking his favorite teams’ ass year in and year out. He’s a loser and so are all the teams he loves. The Cardinals winning two W.S. in the last decade boils his ass to no end.

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