OTC: Kietzman Goes After KU Football & Charlie Weis Just As K-State FB Rises To New Heights

Gale Sayers at Kansas

“If Kansas State were to go on and win their next five games and Collin Klein wins the Heisman Trophy and then Kansas State goes on to play in the national championship game – not win it but just play in the national championship game – would that be the single greatest sports accomplishment in the history of the state of Kansas? I can’t think of anything that would come close to it.”
Kevin Kietzman, 810 AM
GH: Please pause for the noise that these comments will surely bring from those who don crimson and blue and root for the Jayhawks. Does KK make these kind of outlandish, ridiculous and baseless comments to secure his role as a radio shock jock or simply to needle his favorite target – Kansas fans? And why, when his Kansas State Wildcats are enjoying their greatest season ever, would he stoop to this kind of beak tweaking? Oh, there is more. Much, much more. Read on.

“And that would be an incredible compliment to Kansas. I honestly mean that as a compliment to KU basketball.”
Kevin Kietzman, on his above comments, 810 AM
GH: How in the hell is that an “incredible compliment” to Kansas basketball? Does Kietzman think we are all as dense as Danny Clinkscale, the KU grad who lock-stepped agreed with his “single greatest sports accomplishment in the history of the state of Kansas” comment? Kansas basketball lays claim to five national championships. How would a K-State appearance in the BCS title game surpass any of those titles? I think KK just wants to pick on KU while it’s still football season. Read on.  

“I keep hearing people saying they’re better. I keep asking for someone to show me how? I make my living telling you what I think. Telling you the truth.”
Kevin Kietzman, 810 AM

“I’m talking about what I’ve seen this year [of KU football]. I keep hearing people say they’re better. I am just asking how? I don’t see [any improvement in KU football]. Normally, you can see when a really good coach comes in and has a plan, there’s a trademark. A coach comes in, he puts a system in place and you go, ‘Okay, I see what they’re trying to do.’ When I watch that team, I don’t know the identity of that football team.”
Kevin Kietzman, 810 AM
GH: We must consider that Kietzman has a keen eye for college football talent. He is also the same guy who has assured us that Missouri would be a force in the SEC East this season with their best chance to ever win the division. He said Texas A&M football would be an embarrassment in the SEC. He accused Tommy Tuberville of just wanting a big payday when he actively auditioned for the KU job and he then said Tuberville would be a sure failure at Texas Tech. KK was Turner Gill’s most ardent advocate while he was at Kansas – even chastising anyone who would dare criticize Gill for his team’s woeful results. Now he is questioning how anyone can say KU football is improved under Charlie Weis. Did KK not watch the KU/K-State game this season when Kansas was down only 21-14 at the half to the possible national champion? 

“We’ve all just taken a brush and painted over everything Turner Gill did for two years and said it was awful, the team was awful, blah, blah, blah.”
Kevin Kietzman, 810 AM
GH: A brush? We could use a crop duster and not cover all the awful that Turner Gill dropped on KU football.  

“This will be the third head coach and the fourth year in a row where the [KU] head coach has won zero or one conference games. That’s Mangino, Gill and Weis. Maybe it isn’t Charlie Weis. Maybe it’s the place.”
Kevin Kietzman, 810 AM
GH: Why choose this week of all weeks to pick on the dregs that is Kansas football? As a proud K-State grad, Kietzman should be reveling in his team’s success and if anything, ignoring the mess that is and has been Kansas football. But Kietzman cannot seem to get the red and blue demons out of his head. He is obsessed with Jayhawks. Always has been. Not even the Wildcats’ greatest football season ever can ease his pain. 

“Maybe you can’t win there. Nobody ever says that about Kansas. We’ve got this thing in this town, this is right here. We don’t say that. It’s easy to say that about K-State. We say it about Iowa State. We say it about places like that. Maybe you just can’t win there.”
Kevin Kietzman, 810 AM
GH: Huh? Has KK’s source for medication dried up? What the hell is he talking about? Who is saying you can’t win at K-State? Kansas football isn’t great but it’s not what Turner Gill had it looking like. I still remember sitting in KU’s Memorial Stadium and watching Kansas ring up 76 on the Cornhuskers in 2007. 

“Again, I am not drawing a conclusion. I have not closed the book on Charlie Weis.”
Kevin Kietzman, after Weis’ 1-5 start as KU’s head football coach, 810 AM
GH: Okay, as long as you’re not drawing any conclusion. Just dragging Weis and his Jayhawks through the mud for old time’s sake then?

“We’re not talking basketball. I’m not talking any basketball until there are games being played to talk about.”
Kevin Kietzman, in response to Jack Harry wanting to talk local college hoops, 810 AM
GH: Translation: Frank Martin moved to South Carolina.  

“I think Bill Snyder Family Stadium is going to be on fire Saturday afternoon! I’m going to call out the Kansas State fans here a little bit because against Kansas, [the K-State crowd] wasn’t much. I’m guessing that is going to be one tough environment.”
Kevin Kietzman, 810 AM
GH: Finally, something KK and I can agree on. All the more reason to be focused on the Red Raiders rather than Charlie Weis.

“Everyone expects K-State to just win the rest of their games easy. This is going to be so hard. It’s next to impossible.”
Kevin Kietzman, 810 AM
GH: Alright then, let’s talk college hoops.

“Did you know KU basketball starts next Tuesday?”
Nate Bukaty, 810 AM
GH: KU opens with Emporia State and Washburn. These games are exhibitions but any trip to Allen Fieldhouse comes with the full-blown floor show that leaves the occupants panting. Get there if you get the chance – even against the in-state buffet schools.

“[Last season, Missouri] was the worst great defensive team in my memory. That’s going to change with [Alex] Oriakhi.”
Mike DeCourcy, college basketball writer for Sporting News, on the 6’9 former UConn big man, 810 AM
GH: Mizzou is getting a lot of national love due to the magical Phil Pressey, the return of Laurence Bowers and some talented transfers. They open November 10th against SIU-Edwardsville. The Mizzou Center has a lot to learn yet when it comes to matching Allen Fieldhouse for every-game atmosphere.

“I’m sorry to hear about Gene Chizik’s mother [passing away] but it’s kinda like karma. It is what it is.”
Caller Lisa, an avowed Alabama fan, on the passing of the Auburn head coach’s 86-year-old mother, Paul Finebaum Show / Sirius XM 91
GH: Lisa had an audible smirk as she told Finebaum Chizik was simply getting what he deserved. The SEC is a different place when it comes to football rivalries. A different and dark place.

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26 Responses to OTC: Kietzman Goes After KU Football & Charlie Weis Just As K-State FB Rises To New Heights

  1. kc says:

    OK, KK went a overboard with the “greatest accomplishment” stuff, but as a K-State fan, it is refreshing to finally have a sports-talk guy (K-State alum, no less) gush about the Wildcats. KK sometimes bends over backwards to not appear to be a K-State guy. With all the KU and MU homers on 810, I appreciate a little K-State love.!!

    • Stevo says:

      KK is the worst kind of KSU fan and there are plenty exactly like him. They won’t just enjoy their own success when it happens. They’re always looking around the corner for the train that will crush their dreams. They would much rather turn negative and go after somebody else than prop up their own team. That’s why you never hear KSU fans on sports talk shows. They just WON’T CALL IN unless it’s to talk negatively about KU or some perceived slight since they’re K-State and aren’t located in New York.

      As a K-State fan, I’m shocked that you’re happy with KK as you’re “advocate” on the airwaves. He acts like the designated “KSU expectation cooler” year round in every sport and subject. You need someone on the radio who has enough balls and a decent approach to match the KU and Mizzou voices in KC…and not make it a habit to undercut your program’s success at every turn.

    • john doe says:

      All the MU homers on 810? You mean St John? That gives MU just as many as KState.

  2. Gavin says:

    Cue the haters who will now say that KU doesn’t have five national championships in three…two…

    For the record, I’ve never been one who favors counting those two Helms Championships. KU should find a way to distinguish those. They just don’t carry the same weight as the other three.

    And how is Collin Klein winning the Heisman and K-State playing for the national championship a “single” accomplishment. I keep doing the math and I see those as being two separate accomplishments. Kinda like Danny Manning winning the Naismith Award and KU winning the NCAA Championship. Those two may be related and even interdependent on one another, but they’re not “one” thing.

  3. Gavin says:

    Also, I’m not all certain that the SEC is the only place that the kind of vitriol that woman would spout. Let’s recall the Arizona-Arizona State game where ASU students chanted P-L-O at Steve Kerr after his father, a diplomat, was killed by the PLO.

    I’m pretty sure you can find perspective-free idiots on sports talk radio and internet bulletin boards all over the world.

  4. Ron says:

    I’m not a K-State graduate or fan, but KU winning a national championship in basketball is sort of like the Yankees winning the World Series…it’s a nice accomplishment, but not outrageously unexpected. On the other hand, K-State winning the BCS National Championship would be a mind-boggling accomplishment. So, as much as I hate to admit it, I think I see where KK is coming from….

  5. The Smartman says:

    KK makes Joe Biden have the voracity of the Dalai Lama. I used to get pissed off listening to him cause he was such a douche. Now I’m getting more pissed off reading about stupid shit he says. Maybe it’s time to fly the Kevin Keitzman is an idiot banner over Arrowhead.

    KU is NEVER gonna be a football school. Once HCBS leaves K-State it’s not gonna be a football school. MU is NEVER going to win a National Championship in football or basketball. The sun will come up tomorrow. Some 21 year old guy is gonna bang his best friends mom tonite. Some 22 year old girl is gonna bang her best friends boyfriend tonite. Some 82 year old guy who started playing golf 3 weeks ago hit a hole in one today. Shit happens. Welcome to life, fucking with people’s reality for over 2000 years.

    • rkcal says:

      Huh? This post doesn’t make sense even in the twisted, cynical Smartman way that we know and love. BTW, I am sure life has been fucking with homo sapiens for alot longer than 2000 years; even creationists think the world is 6,000 years old. Now, that’s a reality fuck.

  6. Joe Blow says:

    In basketball, teams can drop multiple games in whatever fashion and still make a run at the end of the year to win the championship.

    In football, a lot of times, if you drop one game (and you’re not one of the traditional football powers), you’re out! So, yeah, making the championship game in college football — especially in the current era — is much, much harder..

  7. I’d say Jim Ryun setting world records, being named the Sullivan Award winner (when it meant something) and being named Sports Illustrated’s Sportsman of the Year in 1966 is the biggest thing to ever happen in the history of Kansas sports… period.

  8. Art haynes says:

    So if we’re counting helms titles, how many big 12 championships did a and m win? 4?

  9. john doe says:

    Whats the Mizzou Center?

  10. chuck says:

    Congrats to the Cats.

    Off the subject here, but what as ass whipping Jeff Chadia gives to Scott Pioli in this article.

    http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/8550269/flaws-chiefs-gm-scott-pioli-exposed

  11. nick says:

    KU football is better under Weiss. I’ve been to all home games, have working eyeballs, and a semi-working brain…which is all that’s needed to verify my statement. KU lost their top 2 linebackers to injury on the same play in the 4th quarter against Texas, immediately followed by a game-tying Longhorns drive which included long runs through gaps left by Opurem and Love. KU looked like the better team Saturday for at least 3/4 of the game. Weiss seems like a fighter and I look forward to the next few years.

    Wildcat fans, every Saturday, should kneel and thank the Lord that Bill Snyder coaches their team. KU and KSU football, pre-Bill Snyder, would be thrilled to get coaches of above-average quality like Glen Mason, Mark Mangino or Charlie Weiss. But Snyder has spoiled the hell out of Cat fans and rotted some of their brains. Dilusinoal fans like Kietzman probably actually believe that, when Snyder retries, K-State will maintain it’s Top 10 football program. Ha!

    For every Mason, Mangino and Weiss, there’s a Prince, Allen and Gill.

    • Guy Who Says What Others Think says:

      I’m not sure you can put Weis in the same sentence as Mason and Mangino yet.

    • Brock says:

      I’m not going to rain on your parade. Enjoy your hope that our coach won’t be here forever, but know that whenever he does leave, Kansas will remain awful at football. It’s about KU’s priorities. You live with bball, you die with football.

  12. JP says:

    I think KK’s initial point is correct, that a K-State National Championship appearance would be the greatest accomplishment of any college team in the state of Kansas. That is not a slight on KU hoops, as KU basketball is expected to be a national player. It was more of a compliment to KU if anything.

    However, KK’s rants against the KU football program are beyond reason. He knows that Weis is slowly turning KU around and back to at least a respectable program that could beat K-State in a given year. That is what KK fears as once Snyder leaves, K-State returns to its’ regular place as the bottom dweller of college football (see Ron Prince years).

  13. nick says:

    In 9 seasons at Kansas, GLENN MASON averaged 2.8 conference wins a year. He went to 2 bowls and won both.

    In 8 seasons at Kansas, MARK MANGINO averaged 2.9 conference wins a year. He went to 4 bowls and won 3 of them.

    Weiss has smarts and fight. I’m confident he can meet the above bar.

  14. nick says:

    JP said, “I think KK’s initial point is correct, that a K-State National Championship appearance would be the greatest accomplishment of any college team in the state of Kansas. That is not a slight on KU hoops, as KU basketball is expected to be a national player. It was more of a compliment to KU if anything.”

    I disagree. Everyone is talking as if Snyder took over the program a few years ago. Yes, K-State was horrendous in the 80’s. But over a methodical transformation, Snyder first took the Wildcats to respectability. Through the 90’s and 00’s, collegs fans and high school recruits were well aware K-State was a Top 25 program. Like KU basketball, they were expected to win. Granted, not to the elite level of KU hoops, but K-State was a winning program. How shocking is it that a Top 25 program reared it’s head for a magical season? KU nearly did it in 2007.

    Despite KU basketball being a traditionally great program, the Danny and the Miracles run in ’88 was totally unexpected. The ’08 team was expected to be a Final Four team, but to win it all when all the seeds were #1, and to down a stacked Kentucky team was special. If K-State makes the national title game, I’d put it on par with KU’s unexpected run last year, when Tyshawn, Elijah and TRob got to the title game. If K-State wins it all, I think it’s on par with the 2 Kansas Championship teams.

    • JP says:

      KU has been in the NCAA tournament 23 straight years and 28 of the last 29 years. No program has that pedigree. Plus they have 8 FInal Four appearances in the last 26 years, and were a #1 seed in 1986 before losing to Duke. Their ’88 championship was a cinderella, but that makes up for losing early as #1 seeds in ’92, ’95, ’97, ’98, ’10 and ’11. I’m as big a KU fan as the next guy, but they are expected to contend for championships and get the players. K State Football is not considered in the same vein, and considering where they came from, this would be the greatest accomplishment of any colllege team in the state of Kansas.

  15. goonzablazin says:

    the greatest sports achievement by a Kansas team will come on Dec 1 when Sporting KC wins the MLS Cup

  16. nick says:

    JP, though I’d still disagree, I’ll give ya the “all time best” claim IF KSU wins it all.

    APPEARING in a national title game is NOT as big an accomplishment as KU’s ’88 or ’08 title. Where was KU ranked in the ’88 preseason? Wasn’t K-State a top 20 team in preseason?

    KU was JUST AS sucky as K-State in the 80’s. Snyder built the KSU for 20+ years and is now finally having his magical year. Mangino, after inheriting a poor Terry Allen team, got KU to a nearly-perfect season in just 7 years. We’ll see if Snyder can finish the deal.

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