OTC: KU Trash Talking K-State? In FOOTBALL??? / K-State Nickname Controversy

“Wait So We Lead The KU Kstate Football Series 65-39 and BBall Series 183-91… Seems More Like An A$$ Whoopin Than Rivalry.”
Keba Agostinho, KU defensive end, baiting the Jayhawks’ upcoming opponent, 9@OptimusPrime6, Twitter
GH: Is Sheldon Richardson rubbing off on the Jayhawks? It takes some real ignorance to throw down the trash talk toward a team that has owned you to the tune of 187-58 for the past four years. Keba is about to get introduced to an “A$$ Whoopin” Bill Snyder style.

“Folks – we are NOT dropping the use of “K-State”! We are simply using Kansas State University more strategically than in the past.”
Kirk H. Schulz, @kstate_pres, in response to reports he has decided to diminish the use of K-State when referring to Kansas State University, Twitter
GH: Why? Why do these academic types want to mess with tradition? What’s next Kirk, set fire to the Wabash Cannonball sheet music? Schulz should back off on banning nicknames and take a remedial English class so he can learn the proper usage of quotations.

“That was the dumbest thing I’ve heard! That guy [Schulz] needs more to do out there.”
Soren Petro, on the K-State nickname controversy, 810 AM

“We have no control over this. @aldoggy2001: @kstate_pres PLEASE tell us that u will stop them from making those stupid OU game shirts!”
Kirk H. Schulz, @kstate_pres, on the commemorative  t-shirts that popped up immediately following KSU’s win over OU, Twitter
GH: I hated seeing these t-shirts. So glad some Wildcat fans feel the same. K-State is a legit football program – time for the t-shirt salesmen to realize that fact.

“No but I would shave my head. I don’t think Collin Klein in a million years could pass the eye test to win the Heisman.”
Kevin Kietzman, when asked if his head would explode if Collin Klein wins the Heisman, 810 AM
GH: I disagree. The Heisman no longer is given to the best NFL prospect. It is now given to the best college offensive player. Klein is definitely in that mix.

“Today’s sports page should have been yesterday’s sports page #fail #newspapersdying
Bob Fescoe, @bobfescoe, Twitter
GH: I assume Fescoe was referring to The Kansas City Star dedicating a large portion of the sports section’s front page to the controversial call that ended the Packers/Seahawks game. Newspapers are so much more than the pulp version that Fescoe was tweeting about. I have noticed that The Star is now posting their sports stories and columns sometimes 12 hours or more before the newspaper hits the streets. Yes, there is a real problem keeping the pulp version of the paper current with today’s social media. But many in the media still depend on the staff at these dailies to feed them their news.

“Fans think they know, but they have no idea what goes into trying to win a game. I don’t know if I could have been able to control myself.”
Jayice Pearson, on the Packers’ loss in Seattle due to a blown call by the replacement referees, 610 AM
GH: When I hear an athlete make a comment like this, I immediately turn the phrase on them. Athletes, coaches, GMs, owners, etc. have no idea what fans go through to be fans. Sure, NFL players spend their week working hard in skull sessions and on the practice field preparing for their next opponent. But the effort and expense a family of four makes to purchase tickets, prepare for their tailgating, the hassle of traffic both to and from the stadium (or even traveling to away games) and dedicating a good six hours or more to game day. All to watch their favorite team. The Green Bay fans are the ones who were robbed. Those guys in Packer uniforms up in Seattle will move on and join another team or community. But that loss will stick with the Cheeseheads for as long as it snows in Wisconsin.

“That was just an outstanding football game. I wish it wouldn’t have been ruined [by the officials].”
Josh Vernier, on the Green Bay/Seattle game, 610 AM
GH: Was it really? I was bored with the poor play by both offenses throughout the game. It would be more accurate to say the officials ruined what was already turd of a game.

“In what will come as a shock to absolutely no one, a study by the Wall Street Journal determined that Chicago White Sox broadcasters Hawk Harrelson and Steve Stone were the most biased in the league… by more than four times the next most homerific broadcast team (Indians announcers Matt Underwood and Rick Manning).”
Joe Lucia, writer, Bloguin.com
GH: PUT IT ON THE BOARD!!… The Royals ranked 16th in the WSJ’s survey. They must have been listening on one of Bob Davis’ days off.

“Aside from the White Sox topping the list, the rest of the top five teams were all small market teams: the Indians, Pirates, Astros, and Marlins. Meanwhile, on the other end of the spectrum, five teams featured no recorded instances of bias in the chosen game: the Yankees, Red Sox, Blue Jays, Mets, and Dodgers. Those are generally large markets and their broadcast teams are thought of highly.”
Joe Lucia, writer, Bloguin.com
GH: The Royals’ radio broadcasts [aside from Davis] are actually pretty objective. Listening to a Royals’ game, there is no doubt that they want the Royals to win [well, maybe not Denny if it is going to cut into his dinner time], but there is really very little overt homerism in a Royals’ radio broadcast – which is how it should be in my opinion.

“Maybe we’ll consider not having Joel [Goldberg] back on again next year. That’s a distinct possibility.”
Soren Petro, responding to a caller who said he was not a fan of Goldberg’s appearances on The Program, 810 AM
GH: Goldberg doesn’t quite fit the homer title but I get the impression he would rather eat Rex Hudler’s baseball before he said anything controversial about the home team. That makes him a very boring interview. I would dump him.

“Everyone has an opinion on who is the best play by play guy in the business. The problem is if your answer isn’t @miketirico you’re wrong.”
Danny Parkins, @DannyParkins, on the MNF play-by-play guy, Twitter
GH: I think Tirico is a pro – at least I did. His act on Monday Night Football the past few weeks has been an embarrassment to broadcasting. His blatant shilling for the referee union and constant verbal attacks on the replacement refs has left me questioning his professionalism.

“The Texas A&M University System plans to spend up to $450 million on renovations to Kyle Field to keep home football games in College Station and wants local government to pitch in $38 million.”
Allen Reed, writer, theeagle.com
GH: Plans are to increase seating at Kyle Field to somewhere between 93,000 and 103,500. These kind of stories make me wonder if I am the only football fan who thinks people going to games is a fading tradition. $450 million for a renovation? Oh yeah, we here in Kansas City are familiar with that kind of a fixer-upper.

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32 Responses to OTC: KU Trash Talking K-State? In FOOTBALL??? / K-State Nickname Controversy

  1. JS says:

    Put yourself in Goldberg’s shoes. The only guy who ever said anything negative about the Royals was Frank White and all that got him was a boot out the door. Petro should not bring him back because he brings nothing interesting to the program and always takes the company line. Boring Radio.

  2. Kansas State Fan says:

    Bill Snyder is so hot….I would eat the peanuts from his shit.

  3. Gavin says:

    OK, let me start by saying Keba Agostinho is an idiot. K-State has owned KU and will continue to do so this year. I am worried that someone wearing blue will die on the field. This is not to defend my Jayhawks or to say that the historical record is somehow more relevant than “what have you done for me lately.”

    All that being said, K-State has not owned us for he last four years. KU has lost the last three but four games ago beat K-State 52-21 in Lawrence. Now, it won’t be long before the streak gets extended to four games, of that I have little doubt. But let’s try to be factually accurate, okay? As a KU football fan, I need to cling to what little I have.

    • miket. says:

      here, here, brudda. the ass-whoopin’ the wildcats will be putting on the ‘hawks was going to be bad enough without keba throwing gas on the fire.

  4. Kyle Rohde says:

    I can’t believe Kyle Field needs anywhere near that much money spent on it – I was at the KU vs. A&M game in 2007, and it already had one of the biggest video boards in the country and was overall a tremendous place. Not sure what in the world they’ll spend almost half a billion on!

  5. Fred Flintstone says:

    I still to this day have no idea what relationship KSU/Manhattan Kansas have to do with the Wabash Cannonball. Catchy enough tune…but what’s the relevance to Wildcat Nation? And by the way, that swinging back and forth, done by the student body is really lame looking, and you know what I mean by lame.

    • Gavin says:

      The way I heard t he Wabash Cannonball story is that a mistake was made one day and that whoever packed for the band neglected to put in any sheet music other than for Wabash Cannonball. Since that was the only song for which they had music, that was the only song they played.

      I’m sure some K-Stater knows the story better than me, but after a whole day of playing nothing but that, it apparently stuck.

      • Paul J. says:

        Not exactly, Gavin. From the Wikipedia page for the Kansas State University Marching Band (KSUMB):

        “The Wabash Cannonball (arranged by Joel Leach) may be known as a second fight song to the K-State contingent. Composed in 1933 as a folk ballad saluting the nation’s rail-riding hobos, Wabash Cannonball was first performed for an athletic event at K-State on December 16, 1968. The Wabash was the only selection in the band’s repertoire that evening for a home basketball game at Ahearn Fieldhouse. Just three nights prior, arsonists had set fire to Nichols Hall, at that time the home of the Music Department, destroying all of the departments assets, including the sheet music. The band director at that time, Phil Hewett, just happened to have taken this one piece home from the library that very night to do some work on the arrangement, thus making it the only selection to survive the fire. Since then, the Wabash Cannonball has come to represent the survival of the underdog in the hearts and minds of all true K-State fans, and has earned a secure place in the KSUMB’s history and traditions.”

        • Gavin says:

          See? There you go. I knew I didn’t have it exactly correct. Thanks for straightening me out.

        • Fred Flintstone says:

          Holy shit do I feel stupid….I didn’t know Kansas State University Marching Band had a Wikipedia page.

          Is there a Wiki page as to the reason for that gay ass swinging/swaying back and forth by the Kansas State University students?

      • OlatheCat says:

        Here’s the story…”Wabash Cannonball was first performed for an athletic event at K-State on December 16, 1968. Wabash was the only selection in the band’s repertoire that evening for a home basketball game at Ahearn Fieldhouse. Just three nights prior, arsonists had set fire to Nichols Hall, at that time the home of the Music Department, destroying all of the departments assets, including the sheet music. The band director at that time, Phil Hewitt, just happened to have taken this one piece home from the library that very night to do some work on the arrangement, thus making it the only selection to survive the fire.” http://www.k-state.edu/band/history.html

  6. Smartman says:

    Hey Keba, KEEBA your mouth shut you stupid Angolan douchebag! I hear that in the afterlife Pol Pot, Saddam Hussein, Adolph Hitler and Joe Stalin are begging for sideline seats to watch KSU torture KU. Too bad the game is not in Lawrence so the beakers can sing the alma mater to an empty stadium.

    Hey Jayice, KEEBA your mouth shut too!

  7. Gary Patterson says:

    University presidents and their wiveshands should stop meddling. With too much time on their hands, “THEM CRACKAS BE SHAKIN.”

  8. aleitel says:

    GH: Was it really? I was bored with the poor play by both offenses throughout the game. It would be more accurate to say the officials ruined what was already turd of a game.

    #Petro’d

  9. James Adkins says:

    Couldn’t agree with you more about Tirico. I had never noticed anything but a solid broadcaster in anything he’s ever called before Monday night. I think he spend too much time hanging out with Steve Young and Trent Dilfer before the game.

  10. TangoAlphaLima says:

    KK is discussing the NFL/Referee labor dispute this afternoon. KK thinks the referees’ union is being absurd asking for their pension program to continue. KK, pointing out that not very many people have pensions anymore, including himself, and concluding that the referees don’t really need/deserve it, says: “The only people who have pensions anymore are people in unions.”

    Too bad those darn NFL referees haven’t unionized…

    • Gavin says:

      That’s weird. I’m in a pension plan and am not in a union.

      What’s even weirder is that Kietzman doesn’t seem to understand that the reason he doesn’t have a pension plan is because he is choosing not to give himself one since he’s, you know, THE OWNER OF HIS OWN FUCKING BUSINESS!!

      • Uncle Dick says:

        KK should be pension himself to make sure it isn’t a dream that Jerry “The Rug” Green gave him a piece of the action.

      • P says:

        You’re lucky Gavin, most publically held (and private for that matter) companies have done away with them. I actually have one that was discontinued that I will get some payout on when I retire in the form of a couple cups of coffee, but what the hell.

        • Gavin says:

          I know it. Unfortunately for me, I’m in my mid-40s and only started here in February, so I doubt that the pension ends up paying me that much, but it will supplement the 401(k) so I’ll take it and happily. I was surprised to learn I had one when I joined the place but I will not question their wisdom

          But my larger point isn’t that pensions are either common or rare. The real point is that Kietzman talks about himself not getting a pension as if it’s something completely beyond his control. “Hey, I’d love to get a pension, but the owners of this company don’t want to give them out and I’m fine with that. I mean, sure, it’d be nice if I got one but I certainly won’t question ownership on this subject. They know a lot more about it than me!”

          It’s a little like David Glass complaining that Wal-Mart has killed off independently-owned retailers in small towns.

    • Smartman says:

      And as a radio broadcaster I would assume that KK is a dues paying member of AFTRA.

      • randyraley says:

        probably not. very few union shops left. only two that i know of in st. louis. i doubt if “union” in kc is.i had to get out of radio to work for a company that offers me a pension.

  11. Gary Patterson says:

    Crude isnt the problem fred. You need to try and be funny though.

  12. ron says:

    I believe the caller who confronted Petro about the Goldberg interiew wasn’t upset because Goldberg toed the company line too much. He was upset because Petro treated him with very little respect and seemed to get perturbed about Goldberg’s opinions which, of course, were contrary to Petro’s opinions. Petro does have a habit of believing he is 100 percent correct 100 percent of the time.

    The reason KK doesn’t give himself a pension is that he would have to give everyone else at the company one too, and he’s not going to spend that kind of money on his own employees. It would cut into his annual bonus too much.

    • Gavin says:

      Yeah, I get that and I’m not even saying he’s wrong. I’m just saying it’s unseemly, at best, to hold up the straw man of “Heck, even *I* don’t get a pension!” when he doesn’t get a pension is because he chooses not to have a pension program.

  13. Stringer Pete says:

    The Wall Street Journal article evaluated the bias of the teams’ television announcers. The Royals wound up in the middle of the homer pack, most likely because the (one) broadcast they selected to analyze was staffed by Ryan Lefebvre and Jeff Montgomery.