OTC: Nervous Ned Yost Channels His Milwaukee Roots / Blows Another Royals Chance At Hope

“For some reason, with the best bull pen in the league at his disposal, Ned Yost stays with (Jeremy) Guthrie in the eighth and (Alex) Avila takes him downtown again. … And that was all she wrote.”
Al Wallace, recounting Yost’s decision to allow his starter to go back to the mound in the eight inning of a 2-2 game that cost the Royals a crucial game in Detroit, Fox 4
GH: There are moments in a manager’s career he looks back on that signify why he is a considered a champion by his organization or why he is a chump. Ned had a number of those moments as the skipper of the Brewers before he was canned with 12 games in the 2008 season. The case Yost is building against himself here in Kansas City is at least as impressive – with two incredible mind-numbing managerial goofs just this week. Ladies and gentlemen, Ned is who we thought he was. He is Frank.

“With two weeks to go in the season, with the Royals with genuine playoff aspirations on September 15th for the first time in the memories of many of you reading this, in a tie game in the bottom of the eighth inning, with a phenomenal and rested bullpen at his disposal, Ned Yost chose to stick with a league-average starting pitcher who didn’t have his best stuff and who was laboring his fourth time through the lineup.”
Rany Jazayerli, ranyontheroyals.com

“You’ve got to go with your bull pen there. No, Ned went with his gut and he had indigestion.”
Carrington Harrison, 610 AM
GH: Love this line from Cdot.

“Should Yost have left Guthrie in? (spoiler alert: the answer is “$#+@ No.”)
Sam Mellinger, Don’t Kill The Mellinger at kansascity.com
GH: This was the headline on Mellinger’s DKTM blog. One more of these Yosted losses and that headline needs to go in the print edition – no matter what the old ladies in Prairie Village think is appropriate for a family newspaper.

“The only good thing to say about Yost’s mistake is that he copped to it afterward.”
Sam Mellinger, kansascity.com
GH: But did he? Read on.

“I thought he could get us through the bottom of the order, but I pushed him too far…Hindsight is 20-20, and there will be a lot of that. I just thought (Guthrie) had enough to get us to the ninth.”
Ned Yost, Kansas City Star
GH: Okay, Ned admits he pushed Guthrie too far – which is at least an acknowledgement that he screwed up. But in no way does he cop to the magnitude of his screwgie. I mean this screw up was Garo Yepremian retching (because it sure wasn’t a pass) a pick six back in Super Bowl VII. And what is Ned talking about hindsight? Does Ned have an Internet? Check the #Royals tweets before the start of the eighth and read how many KC fans were screaming at Yost for sending Guthrie back to the hill.

“I thought (Guthrie) could get us through the inning. At that point, he had pitched himself out of some big jams, and I thought he had really got settled in.”
Ned Yost, Kansas City Star
GH: Settled in??? It was the EIGHTH inning, Ned! We are trying to win a wild card spot here, not check out the neighborhood schools!  

“At no point did I think there was ANY chance that Guthrie would take the mound again. Not after 7 innings. Not after 102 pitches. Not with a collection of bullpen arms that is the envy of baseball lurking behind an outfield fence. … So in September, in a pennant race, with ELEVEN relievers on hand, in a tie game, in the 8th inning, with his #4 starter (at best) having thrown 102 pitches, and having allowed 12 hits already, Yost sent him back to the mound. Even though he had only asked his starting pitcher to work that hard twice all season, and one of those two decisions proved disastrous.”
Rany Jazayerli, ranyontheroyals.com 

“The way he had pitched. I just felt real strongly that he could get us to the ninth, turn it over to the pen in a tie game and give him a chance to win the game.”
Ned Yost, Kansas City Star
GH: BINGO! “Give him a chance to win the game.” A fireable statement if one was ever uttered by a 58-year-old man in baseball pants. WHO CARES??? Guthrie is a midland starter with a half-ass career on a team that has done NOTHING for 27 years. What does it freaking MATTER if he gets another win on the back of his baseball card? You wanna know what winners think of personal stats when they are trying to win a World Series? Read on for what the Tigers had to say Sunday about that same game.

“I’m not sitting here chasing personal stuff. I’m trying to win for the team. This is all about trying to get us into the postseason. I don’t care if I win another game. If we win our division, that’s all that matters.”
Max Scherzer, when asked if he was upset that he was unable to notch his 20th win of the season after pitching brilliantly on Sunday, freep.com
GH: The future Cy Young winner isn’t chasing personal stuff but Ned Freaking Frank Yost is with Jeremy Guthrie??? Read on. 

“(Scherzer) was absolutely terrific. It’s a shame Scherzer didn’t get his 20th win. But that’s the way it goes. He was just as happy the team got a win. That’s Max.”
Jim Leyland, said of his starter, Scherzer, who again failed to get his 20th win of the season,  freep.com
GH: That’s Max. That’s Jim. And that sure as hell ain’t Ned Frank Yost.

“Sometimes you might take a swing to see if you can do some damage. That was a swing I said, ‘OK, it’s a 1-1 count. If I get something up, I’m going to try to hit it very hard.’ ”
Alex Avila, on his second homer of the game off Guthrie, freep.com
GH: Doesn’t this just make you want to run Ned over with his tractor?

“When we talked to (Ned), he didn’t have all the answers as to what’s gone on the last two weeks. I’m not sure I have all the answers. I’m not sure this is the right one, either. I don’t think any of us know, but I’m going to turn the managerial position over to Dale Sveum and hope we can kick-start a ballclub that we feel has a lot of talent.”
Doug Melvin, Brewers GM, after firing Yost in Milwaukee in September of 2008, jsonline.com
GH: If Dayton Moore isn’t as incensed as the Royals fans over Ned refusing to go to the spectacular bull pen that Moore has built for him…well, he needs to call Melvin and get educated.

“Butler and Hosmer today, combined 0-for-8 with five strike outs.”
Al Wallace, Fox 4
GH: Yost wasn’t the only guilty party on Sunday. That is just awful – even against Scherzer. 

“Joe Sheehan with a good line on Billy ‘Country Breakfast Butler.’ Sheehan called him ‘Continental Breakfast.’ Not wild about his HR numbers.”
Lynn G. Henning, @Lynn_Henning, Twitter

“The name you are going to hear from me is (Angels’ current manager) Mike Scioscia – if he becomes available.”
Soren Petro, on who he would look to hire to replace Ned Yost, 810 AM

“Sorry we didn’t have @Royals on! We try to always show local sports & will aim to have them on in future!”
Salty Iguana, @Salty_Iguana, responding to a tweet from a Royals fan who said while he was at the Salty they refused to switch their TV to the Royals/Tigers game, Twitter
GH: I like this. Iggy could have ignored the small online flare up but instead chose to address it. Props to The Salty Iguana for admitting their mistake and promising to do better. Can Iggy manage a baseball team?

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20 Responses to OTC: Nervous Ned Yost Channels His Milwaukee Roots / Blows Another Royals Chance At Hope

  1. Scott says:

    I’ve been frustrated, disappointed, upset, whatever this season with Yost and the Royals, but Sunday was the first time I was flat out PISSED. He shouldn’t have sent Guthrie out for the 7th, but once he got through that I didn’t even CONSIDER that he’d go out for the 8th. It never crossed my mind.. Ned in the 7th was like the drunk guy at the blackjack table that hits 18 and pulls a 2. He sits there with a smile acting all smart and cocky. But in this case, he wasn’t satisfied and went ahead and hit his 20 hoping to pull an Ace in the 8th. Just incredible. I wondered what his dumbass excuse would be (and no, Sam, I don’t see him owning it). And there it was. . .he was F’ING worried about getting Guthrie a stupid Win. The win is a dumb stat anyway, and that was his concern. That shouldn’t have even been in his thought process. Individual stats should mean NOTHING right now.

    I hate you, Yost. You condescending prick. It wasn’t HINDSIGHT, everyone on my twitter feed was absolutely BALLISTIC when you sent him back out.

    You suck.

    Now do like the Royals have done all year and pull me back in by sweeping the Indians and Rangers!!!!

  2. Twy's Gibman says:

    yep, let’s hear from the Yost-backers that were all over this blog last week. What a total bonehead. You have the best bullpen in baseball, and continue to stick with the luckiest pitcher in the MLB the last two years in the 8th inning.

  3. Larry Smith didn’t have an internet, but at least he got his Missouri team to the postseason a couple of times. In contrast, I’ve heard before that Frank “likes his gadgets,” which presupposes access to an internet, but yet still gives us a prickly old manager who can’t seem to make a postseason appearance absent Rollie Fingers’ mustache and a Robin Yount MVP season. So maybe having an internet and a twitter is a bit overblown. Not that I mean to encourage KK.

  4. MightyMo says:

    Who is this Ned Yost you speak of. Does he play for the Iggles?

  5. Joe Blow says:

    The next time Sam Mellinger or Rany Jazayerli say something prescient, it will be the first.

    “I’m not sitting here chasing personal stuff. I’m trying to win for the team. This is all about trying to get us into the postseason. I don’t care if I win another game. If we win our division, that’s all that matters.”
    Max Scherzer, when asked if he was upset that he was unable to notch his 20th win of the season after pitching brilliantly on Sunday, freep.com
    GH: The future Cy Young winner isn’t chasing personal stuff but Ned Freaking Frank Yost is with Jeremy Guthrie??? Read on.

    Greg Hall has obviously never heard player-speak..

    People like Rany & Sam denigrate everything Dayton Moore has done, then get freaked out when they players he acquired don’t get used.

    I’m not sure this is the right one, either. I don’t think any of us know, but I’m going to turn the managerial position over to Dale Sveum and hope we can kick-start a ballclub that we feel has a lot of talent.”

    Doug Melvin, Brewers GM, after firing Yost in Milwaukee in September of 2008, jsonline.com

    Milwaukee fired Ned Yost with 12 games to go, then lost in the first round of the playoffs. Dale Sveum went 7-5 in the remaining 12 games. But those 12 games will always be Yost’s legacy..

    • Joe Blow says:

      Would like an edit function, but, eh..

      • Barles james says:

        You’re still all in for Ned, huh? Remarkable.

        • Joe Blow says:

          I just don’t think Ned’s moves are any different than any other manager..

          • Barles james says:

            Managers that know pitching, like francona, are not morons. Hanging withw Frenchie and getz put him on another Hillman-like level.

            • Joe Blow says:

              Like this:

              Later that season, he presided over one of the worst collapses in the history of Major League Baseball when the Red Sox went 7-20 for the month of September and squandered a nine-game lead over the Rays for the AL Wild Card spot in the postseason. Following the season, the Red Sox declined to exercise Francona’s 2012 option.”

              • Barles james says:

                Win two world seriesand you get a mulligan. Hang your career on jeremy guthrie and you get what you deserve.

                • Joe Blow says:

                  Yeah, I guess.

                  Francona ain’t that smart, though..

                  • Barles james says:

                    Two titles versus fired and about to be fired again smart guy. I also see that late.season collapse in boston was blamed on chicken amd beer, and less on idiotic lineup moves.

                  • Barles james says:

                    I just re read your comment yeah you’re right, luck definitely plays a big part

    • Kyle Rohde says:

      Yes, but what you’re not saying is that it was all worth it for Milwaukee, who made the playoffs for the first time in 26 years, which was part of a sustained level of success that came out of a group of talented players not unlike what the Royals have. The Brewers made it back again in 2011 and almost made it to the World Series. Even though they didn’t make it, that success has continued to pay dividends via the huge support they get in Milwaukee.

      This year, when they’re in a battle with the Cubs for the 4th worst record in baseball, the smallest market team in all of baseball is averaging 31,599 fans per game, good for 14th in baseball. The Royals, in a bigger market with a far better team, are 5th from the bottom in baseball, averaging only 21,415 per game. The Brewers will be pretty weak next year too, but they’ll still have strong attendance and support.

      No, attendance doesn’t tell the whole story but the fans in Milwaukee appreciate that the Brewers have gone for it multiple times before the inevitable loss of Fielder, by trading for Sabathia, then Greinke later. I think KC fans would appreciate the same.

  6. Java Man says:

    GH: Doesn’t this just make you want to run Ned over with his tractor?

    With the blade down.

  7. Xavier says:

    Greg,

    A-f’ing-men. The only sure thing on this club is its pitching and its pen, in particular.

    You go to the pen in the 8th when:

    1. Losing by one
    2. Tied
    3. Winning by 1, 2 or 3
    4. His arm is hosed and you like him.

    You stay with the starter in the 8th when none of the above apply AND:

    1. He’s got a shut out going
    2. He’s got a no-no going
    3. His parents came all the way down from Michigan to watch him play the game(Jimmy Dugan, “League of their own”)

  8. chris telleer says:

    anyone know if the Chiefs Thursday game going to be televised locally?? as in.. not on the NFL network scam?

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